Hi Philippe,
They are several distinct points in the answer of Johan, that you are
treating as a whole.
My question here was focused on a single page. While one might disagree
with it's conclusion to not translate this page, I think that the
argument – for this specific page – is reasonable. It's a page targeting
translator of the technews, not its general final readers. An other
argument in favor of such a translation, is that one might translate not
from directly from English, but from an other already translated
version: sure the less you have indirection, the better, but we might
have volunteers out there for who it might be the only skills they have
to offer. An other argument in favor of such a translation, is that our
movement praise transparency and availability of knowledge in native
languages, this page is (admittedly very small part) of how we organize,
so translating it fall in the intersection of this two goals.
Now, I think there are two others important points:
1. Phabricator is in English: that is clearly something that should be
fixed, as it makes the tool far more difficult to use maybe even
unusable for non-English speakers.
2. Wikimedia technical development is in English: well, that's also
problematic, but here it's more a general global problematic of poor
inclusion of internationalization problems in software development
process in general (that is the internationalization of developers
tools themselves, not the internationalization targeting end users).
It's something for which we might try to foster good practice, but
probably not easily resolve alone.
Cheers,
Mathieu
Le 28/01/2017 à 00:57, Philippe Verdy a écrit :
The Tech News is intended to tech-capable users, yes,
but they are
acting as relays/ambassads to explain to other people, and they will
create presentation documents and have a didactiv activity.
Being able to speak a common language but understandardable one for
everyone is a must for these news that in fract don't enter in lot of
tricky details (and that are in fact read by more people than what you
think, even if they are not developers). Anyway even if you speak
English on this list not everyone on Meta speak it (otherwise these
news would not need to be transalted at all !)
And tech developers are not necessarily the best to speak about how to
spek non technical English that are more related here to the
organization itself (when we speak about the "Board"). Don't be
elitist: these news are intended to be read by the world, including
those not reading English. For that reason we should avoid "jargon" as
much as possible (and even many technical terms have transaltions in
MediaWiki because it is also intended to be used by non-English
communities, where English is also undesirable and very unlikey to be
understood correctly: we are in the area of usability of the software).
So no, I don't support you too limited POV.
2017-01-27 23:39 GMT+01:00 Johan Jönsson <jjonsson(a)wikimedia.org
<mailto:jjonsson@wikimedia.org>>:
On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 5:22 PM, mathieu stumpf guntz
<psychoslave(a)culture-libre.org
<mailto:psychoslave@culture-libre.org>> wrote:
Thank you Johan for the notification.
By the way, should we make
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/For_contributors
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/For_contributors>
translatable?
I ask myself that for every page I work on on Meta, but unfortunately,
if you don't understand that page in English, contributing to Tech
News will be difficult. Phabricator is in English, Wikimedia technical
development is in English, the newsletter is in English, it's
translated from English. Unlike most pages on Meta and
MediaWiki.org,
I don't think the instructions for contributors to Tech News has an
audience that doesn't speak English.
//Johan Jönsson
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