Well I'm a bit irritated to see that icons for external links on pages
translated to Arabic (and properly tagged by Mediawiki itself to use a RTL
direction) and not properly presented: the icon should be different
(mirrored) and displayed to the left of the link, not to the right.
This is a problem of the global CSS stylesheet used on some multilingual
wikis like Meta. When these translated messages are posted via MassMessage
to other minolingual RTL wikis (such as Arabic Wikipedia), the default CSS
of these wikis are properly setup.
I think that stylesheets used on multilingual wikis (Meta, Commons) should
be tuned to be really international and fix their RTL vs. LTR direction.
Mediawiki has suitable global classes ("mw-content-rtl" vs.
"mw-content-ltr") for its wiki-generated content which can be used in CSS
selectors (these selectors don't apply to the site-wide stylesheet that
setup the navigation bars around the content in its default UI language or
using the user's language, for its parts that are translated)
Note that some wiki contents are generated by templates, and many templates
already use "mw-content-rtl" vs. "mw-content-ltr" classes for the
they generate (e.g. for tables or lists): but if the content generated by
these templates create custom presentation (e.g. navbars, infoboxes,
galleries of images), beware of not assuming that tables will be
necessarily rendered in LTR direction (with the 1st column to the right)
Beware with custom styles adde in that content, notably the side of
margins, paddings, borders, and "left"/"right" alignment. Beware also
the choice of images, notably those including prerendered text or
direction-dependant iconography such as arrows. Note that not all "left"
vs. "right" have to be replaced: some border styles for buttons for example
will be inconsistant if this is used to create 3D effects or shadows whose
orientation is independant and should remain homogeneous independantly of
the text they contain.
To handle these tricky cases, there are useful templates like Tempalte:Dir
which takes a language code parameter and allows to return two different
values for LTR vs. RTL layouts. The default return values are "ltr" or
"rtl". The default language code is the page's default language (not
necessarily the default site language or the user's UI language selected by
the ULS interface or in user preferences): identifying and tracking which
language is used requires passing the languager codes as explicit
parameters with the correct default. This takes some time to dersign that
properly in templates, but the most used utility templates for navboxes,
banners, and infobox are normally now already designed to support passing
the expected language.
Whever a tempalte will display contents translated (and laid out) in the
page language or in the user language depends on its use. Generally,
banners (for informing users directly about what they should do and that
are not directly part of the page content but attached as metadata) should
use the UI language; other templates like infoboxes and navbars should use
the page language: nowhere you can assume than one of these two languages
will be the same as the default sitewide language of the wiki (which is
only a default for the page language for pages not intended to be
translated, but never a valid default for the UI language which can always
be something else on any monolingual or multilingual wiki)
But even monolingual wikis now have some parts which are translated with
the translation tool to address users directly in their language. In that
case, these parts will be in the UI language and should use
"autotranslation" technics, or use an explicit page language set by the
page naming convention: this is the case for wiki documentation pages or
community policy pages, or some "ambassy" pages.
Le mer. 19 sept. 2018 à 11:14, Vira Motorko <vira.motorko(a)gmail.com> a
I would recommend gathering feedback on the talk
As a translation admin, I get irritated by constant additions on the
translatable page of the text that is not going to be translated but makes
me review the version. I think, I'm not alone.
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пт, 14 вер. 2018 о 20:11 Chris Koerner <ckoerner(a)wikimedia.org> пише:
The Readers team wants to get feedback on an update to the way the
toolbars work on the mobile web site. This is to help folks contributing
with mobile devices. Help translating will help make sure people can
successfully give us their feedback.
All translations are welcome. We ere are focusing on the following
language wikis to start.
Arabic, Chinese, Finnish, Hebrew, Hindi, Indonesian, Italian, Japanese,
Persian, Portuguese, Spanish, Thai, and Vietnamese.
The page describing the test and the survey questions are also marked for
transition if you are feeling exceedingly awesome.
Thank you as always.
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