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Redaktor/פוילישע ר

25 Apr 2012 25 Apr '12

6:50 p.m.

I have just seen the generic maintenance notice come up in yiwiki. Unfortunately it links to the English landing page, although a valid yi translation of the landing page is available. How do we fix this? Percy

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Thehelpfulone

25 Apr 25 Apr

7:16 p.m.

On 25 April 2012 19:50, Redaktor/פוילישער <wiki.pedia(a)ntlworld.com> wrote:

I have just seen the generic maintenance notice come up in yiwiki. Unfortunately it links to the English landing page, although a valid yi translation of the landing page is available. How do we fix this? Percy

Hi Percy, The actual link is https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Mylanguage/Wikimedia_maintenance_no… which means that if your language is set as English, it will be inEnglish, whilst if you have set your language to be Yiddish (through Special:Preferences), then it will redirect you to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_maintenance_notice/yi. I hope this answers your question adequately. -- Thehelpfulone http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Thehelpfulone Meta-Wiki Administrator

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Amir E. Aharoni

8:08 p.m.

2012/4/25 Thehelpfulone <thehelpfulonewiki(a)gmail.com>om>:

On 25 April 2012 19:50, Redaktor/פוילישער <wiki.pedia(a)ntlworld.com> wrote:

I have just seen the generic maintenance notice come up in yiwiki. Unfortunately it links to the English landing page, although a valid yi translation of the landing page is available. How do we fix this? Percy

Hi Percy, The actual link is https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Mylanguage/Wikimedia_maintenance_no… which means that if your language is set as English, it will be inEnglish, whilst if you have set your language to be Yiddish (through Special:Preferences), then it will redirect you to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_maintenance_notice/yi. I hope this answers your question adequately.

I think that Percy is trying to ask how to translate that message to Yiddish. Currently you'll see it in English even if your interface language is Yiddish. It interests me, too. I suppose that it can be translated in the CentralNotice interface, but it's incredibly confusing and i prefer to use only in extreme cases, and in any case, it cannot be used by everybody. Is there a proper page for translating this important banner? I couldn't find anything like it. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬

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Federico Leva (Nemo)

8:24 p.m.

Amir E. Aharoni, 25/04/2012 22:08:

I think that Percy is trying to ask how to translate that message to Yiddish. Currently you'll see it in English even if your interface language is Yiddish. It interests me, too. I suppose that it can be translated in the CentralNotice interface, but it's incredibly confusing and i prefer to use only in extreme cases, and in any case, it cannot be used by everybody. Is there a proper page for translating this important banner? I couldn't find anything like it.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CentralNotice/Generic_maintenance_notice#yi but it says it's published, isn't it? <https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NoticeTemplate/view&template=Genericmaintenancenotice&wpUserLanguage=yi> Nemo

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Amir E. Aharoni

8:27 p.m.

2012/4/25 Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com>om>:

Amir E. Aharoni, 25/04/2012 22:08:

I think that Percy is trying to ask how to translate that message to Yiddish. Currently you'll see it in English even if your interface language is Yiddish. It interests me, too. I suppose that it can be translated in the CentralNotice interface, but it's incredibly confusing and i prefer to use only in extreme cases, and in any case, it cannot be used by everybody. Is there a proper page for translating this important banner? I couldn't find anything like it.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CentralNotice/Generic_maintenance_notice#yi but it says it's published, isn't it? <https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NoticeTemplate/view&template=Genericmaintenancenotice&wpUserLanguage=yi>

Something here is really weird, because the name of the page refers to a "Generic maintenance notice" and this is a notice about Terms of use. The current translations to Yiddish and to many other languages refer to technical maintenance and not to Terms of use. -- Amir

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Thehelpfulone

8:31 p.m.

On 25 April 2012 21:27, Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il>wrote;wrote:

Something here is really weird, because the name of the page refers to a "Generic maintenance notice" and this is a notice about Terms of use. The current translations to Yiddish and to many other languages refer to technical maintenance and not to Terms of use.

It's the generic maintenance notice as that's what the operations staff (RobLa) activated as they were actually doing some maintenance today for a short while. -- Thehelpfulone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Thehelpfulone English Wikipedia Administrator

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Amir E. Aharoni

8:35 p.m.

2012/4/25 Thehelpfulone <thehelpfulonewiki(a)gmail.com>om>:

On 25 April 2012 21:27, Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

Something here is really weird, because the name of the page refers to a "Generic maintenance notice" and this is a notice about Terms of use. The current translations to Yiddish and to many other languages refer to technical maintenance and not to Terms of use.

It's the generic maintenance notice as that's what the operations staff (RobLa) activated as they were actually doing some maintenance today for a short while.

The translations to Russian and Spanish are correct and refer to Terms of Use, but i cannot find where they were made. If they were made only directly on Special:CentralNotice, then it's not the way that it should be done. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬

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James Alexander

8:44 p.m.

As far as I can tell all of the terms of use translations are correct and linking to the right place. http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NoticeTemplate/view&… is no Yiddish one) The maintenance messages were just sharing space up until 40 minutes ago. On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

2012/4/25 Thehelpfulone <thehelpfulonewiki(a)gmail.com>om>:

On 25 April 2012 21:27, Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

Something here is really weird, because the name of the page refers to a "Generic maintenance notice" and this is a notice about Terms of use. The current translations to Yiddish and to many other languages refer to technical maintenance and not to Terms of use.

It's the generic maintenance notice as that's what the operations staff (RobLa) activated as they were actually doing some maintenance today for

a

short while.

The translations to Russian and Spanish are correct and refer to Terms of Use, but i cannot find where they were made. If they were made only directly on Special:CentralNotice, then it's not the way that it should be done. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬ _______________________________________________ Translators-l mailing list Translators-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/translators-l

-- James Alexander Manager, Merchandise Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur

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Amir E. Aharoni

8:46 p.m.

2012/4/25 James Alexander <jalexander(a)wikimedia.org>rg>:

As far as I can tell all of the terms of use translations are correct and linking to the right place. http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NoticeTemplate/view&… (there is no Yiddish one) The maintenance messages were just sharing space up until 40 minutes ago.

Yes, but how to add new ones? -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬

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James Alexander

8:48 p.m.

I do not think there is a special "spot" if you have new translations I'd just add them (rather then putting them in to Spot A that then just needs to be copy and pasted into CN anyway). Barring that you could probably add them to Philippe's talk page and I'm sure he or another admin would be happy to add them. James On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

2012/4/25 James Alexander <jalexander(a)wikimedia.org>rg>:

As far as I can tell all of the terms of use translations are correct and linking to the right place.

http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NoticeTemplate/view&…

(there is no Yiddish one) The maintenance messages were just sharing

space

up until 40 minutes ago.

Yes, but how to add new ones? -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬ _______________________________________________ Translators-l mailing list Translators-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/translators-l

-- James Alexander Manager, Merchandise Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur

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Amir E. Aharoni

8:54 p.m.

2012/4/25 James Alexander <jalexander(a)wikimedia.org>rg>:

I do not think there is a special "spot" if you have new translations I'd just add them (rather then putting them in to Spot A that then just needs to be copy and pasted into CN anyway). Barring that you could probably add them to Philippe's talk page and I'm sure he or another admin would be happy to add them.

What's "Spot A"? (CentralNotice lingo?) There are two ways to do translations on meta: the old way - by translating wiki pages, and the new way - using Special:Translate. The "Terms of use" message is completely new and should be properly translated using one of these ways. I prefer Special:Translate, of course. Putting translations on Philippe's talk page sounds like going years back. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬

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James Alexander

8:58 p.m.

I'm saying that at the moment they are not being translated in either way. At this point I don't think that's bad because either way just creates more work. By "Spot A" I meant somewhere OTHER then the CN system. Whether we translate the banners via the old method, via Special:Translate or via talk page messages to Philippe we still have to copy and paste the messages into CN manually for them to actually get published. I recommended Philippe's talk page if you did not want to post it into the system yourself because it required the least set up (compared to the old way or Special:Translate) and that seemed to be the most efficient right now. On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

2012/4/25 James Alexander <jalexander(a)wikimedia.org>rg>:

I do not think there is a special "spot" if you have new translations I'd just add them (rather then putting them in to Spot A that then just

needs to

be copy and pasted into CN anyway). Barring that you could probably add

them

to Philippe's talk page and I'm sure he or another admin would be happy

to

add them.

What's "Spot A"? (CentralNotice lingo?) There are two ways to do translations on meta: the old way - by translating wiki pages, and the new way - using Special:Translate. The "Terms of use" message is completely new and should be properly translated using one of these ways. I prefer Special:Translate, of course. Putting translations on Philippe's talk page sounds like going years back. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬ _______________________________________________ Translators-l mailing list Translators-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/translators-l

-- James Alexander Manager, Merchandise Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur

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Amir E. Aharoni

9:02 p.m.

2012/4/25 James Alexander <jalexander(a)wikimedia.org>rg>:

I'm saying that at the moment they are not being translated in either way. At this point I don't think that's bad

That is bad because lots and lots of users see messages in a language they don't know. (And users of RTL projects also see them with broken punctuation.) Why were these banners enabled before proper translation? -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬

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Philippe Beaudette

9:04 p.m.

Because there is a total lack of documented processes to tell people how to do this correctly. ___________________ Philippe Beaudette Director, Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 415-839-6885, x 6643 philippe(a)wikimedia.org On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

2012/4/25 James Alexander <jalexander(a)wikimedia.org>rg>:

I'm saying that at the moment they are not being translated in either

way.

At this point I don't think that's bad

That is bad because lots and lots of users see messages in a language they don't know. (And users of RTL projects also see them with broken punctuation.) Why were these banners enabled before proper translation? -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬ _______________________________________________ Translators-l mailing list Translators-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/translators-l

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Federico Leva (Nemo)

9:13 p.m.

Philippe Beaudette, 25/04/2012 23:04:

Because there is a total lack of documented processes to tell people how to do this correctly.

«target only needed languages and absolutely don't show banners in languages different from the users'» «the coder and most of all the implementing admin can be searched by the promoter with a simple request if needed.» https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CentralNotice/Usage_guidelines Nemo

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James Alexander

9:20 p.m.

This change affects 100% of users logged in and logged out of all languages. While we clearly want to make sure they can understand it as much as possible I don't think it would even be close to an option to turn off the banners in any language. James On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

Philippe Beaudette, 25/04/2012 23:04: Because there is a total lack of documented processes to tell people how

to do this correctly.

«target only needed languages and absolutely don't show banners in languages different from the users'» «the coder and most of all the implementing admin can be searched by the promoter with a simple request if needed.» https://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/CentralNotice/Usage_**guidelines<https… Nemo ______________________________**_________________ Translators-l mailing list Translators-l(a)lists.wikimedia.**org <Translators-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/translators-l<https://lis…

-- James Alexander Manager, Merchandise Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur

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Philippe Beaudette

8:44 p.m.

Amir, Steps to reproduce, please? pb ___________________ Philippe Beaudette Director, Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 415-839-6885, x 6643 philippe(a)wikimedia.org On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

The translations to Russian and Spanish are correct and refer to Terms of Use, but i cannot find where they were made. If they were made only directly on Special:CentralNotice, then it's not the way that it should be done.

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Federico Leva (Nemo)

8:53 p.m.

Philippe Beaudette, 25/04/2012 22:44:

Amir, Steps to reproduce, please?

1) Look for a TR on the new terms of use banner on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/TR 2) Check better on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/CentralNotice 3) Find none. But this isn't what the OP was complaining about. Nemo

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Federico Leva (Nemo)

8:46 p.m.

Amir E. Aharoni, 25/04/2012 22:27:

Something here is really weird, because the name of the page refers to a "Generic maintenance notice" and this is a notice about Terms of use. The current translations to Yiddish and to many other languages refer to technical maintenance and not to Terms of use.

<https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NoticeTemplate/view&template=TOU_top&wpUserLanguage=all> There are no translations of this banner in yi. I currently see an English message on yi.wiki, which isn't nice (I'd rather disable them all) but is technically correct. I suppose the WMF is going to ask for translations soon. I don't knwo where the "Generic maintenance notice" comes from, maybe a misunderstanding or some caching problem. Nemo

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