As many may already have seen, the new, fully revamped mobile Wikipedia app for Android was just released.[1] To bring it to the attention of mobile readers of Wikipedia, we are currently running banners (restricted to Android devices) which still need to be translated into the following languages:
French, Italian, Russian, Japanese, Dutch
(Together with English and German, these correspond to the top 10 languages - including variants - where the app is available in a localized version of sufficient quality, according to the developer team. The banners can be translated into other languages too, but they should only run in a language if the app is available in that language, too.)
The text of the banners:
"The new official Wikipedia app for Android: Faster speed, offline reading, and more." Translate at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=Cen...
"32 million articles, 280+ languages, one app Download the new Wikipedia app now" Translate at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=Cen...
Many thanks!
[1] https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/06/25/revamped-wikipedia-app-now-available-o...
I get the message "This message group is empty", is it too late to translate or is it a misconfiguration?
Thanks, ~ Seb35
Le Thu, 26 Jun 2014 10:24:23 +0200, Tilman Bayer tbayer@wikimedia.org a écrit:
As many may already have seen, the new, fully revamped mobile Wikipedia app for Android was just released.[1] To bring it to the attention of mobile readers of Wikipedia, we are currently running banners (restricted to Android devices) which still need to be translated into the following languages:
French, Italian, Russian, Japanese, Dutch
(Together with English and German, these correspond to the top 10 languages - including variants - where the app is available in a localized version of sufficient quality, according to the developer team. The banners can be translated into other languages too, but they should only run in a language if the app is available in that language, too.)
The text of the banners:
"The new official Wikipedia app for Android: Faster speed, offline reading, and more." Translate at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=Cen...
"32 million articles, 280+ languages, one app Download the new Wikipedia app now" Translate at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=Cen...
Many thanks!
[1] https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/06/25/revamped-wikipedia-app-now-available-o...
Hi Seb35,
translations are still welcome and needed in these languages (French, Italian, Russian, Dutch). There has been, or maybe still is, a weird technical issue with the first banner's translation group, e.g. the stats page at [1] was claiming until a few hours age this group has 0 units (and 0 have been translated in any language, even though it has 3 units and translations already existed (e.g. [2]), being shown to millions of mobile readers over the last few days. The message you encountered looks like a different symptom of the same problem.
It is looking OK now again though, are you able to enter French translations at [3] now?
The issue is particularly strange because the translation group for the second banner did not show the same behavior (i.e. the stats at [4] continued to correctly show it as containing 3 messages, and recorded the existing translations correctly as well). That's even though both banners are completely identical except for the text,[5][6] and I didn't see anything in the logs that could have caused that difference. I strongly suspect it's a bug. Or is there another explanation? Any insights are welcome.
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AMessageGroupStats&... [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&action=pr... [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=Cen... [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AMessageGroupStats&... [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralNoticeBanners/edit/Wpapp2014A... [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralNoticeBanners/edit/Wpapp2014A...
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Seb35 seb35wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
I get the message "This message group is empty", is it too late to translate or is it a misconfiguration?
Thanks, ~ Seb35
Le Thu, 26 Jun 2014 10:24:23 +0200, Tilman Bayer tbayer@wikimedia.org a écrit:
As many may already have seen, the new, fully revamped mobile Wikipedia app for Android was just released.[1] To bring it to the attention of mobile readers of Wikipedia, we are currently running banners (restricted to Android devices) which still need to be translated into the following languages:
French, Italian, Russian, Japanese, Dutch
(Together with English and German, these correspond to the top 10 languages - including variants - where the app is available in a localized version of sufficient quality, according to the developer team. The banners can be translated into other languages too, but they should only run in a language if the app is available in that language, too.)
The text of the banners:
"The new official Wikipedia app for Android: Faster speed, offline reading, and more." Translate at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=Cen...
"32 million articles, 280+ languages, one app Download the new Wikipedia app now" Translate at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=Cen...
Many thanks!
[1] https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/06/25/revamped-wikipedia-app-now-available-o...
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Tilman Bayer tbayer@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Seb35,
translations are still welcome and needed in these languages (French, Italian, Russian, Dutch). There has been, or maybe still is, a weird technical issue with the first banner's translation group, e.g. the stats page at [1] was claiming until a few hours age this group has 0 units (and 0 have been translated in any language, even though it has 3 units and translations already existed (e.g. [2]), being shown to millions of mobile readers over the last few days. The message you encountered looks like a different symptom of the same problem.
It is looking OK now again though, are you able to enter French translations at [3] now?
The issue is particularly strange because the translation group for the second banner did not show the same behavior (i.e. the stats at [4] continued to correctly show it as containing 3 messages, and recorded the existing translations correctly as well). That's even though both banners are completely identical except for the text,[5][6] and I didn't see anything in the logs that could have caused that difference.
Actually it just occurred to me that there was one aspect in which those two banners differed: We cloned Wpapp2014Androidmobile_1 into another banner for test purposes (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralNoticeBanners/edit/Heathertes... ), but Wpapp2014Androidmobile_2 wasn't cloned afaik. And the time of the cloning would be consistent with the times of the "empty banner" occurrences. Just a hunch though; normally cloning should of course leave the original banner intact.
BTW, I just updated https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:CentralNotice/Translations a bit.
I strongly suspect it's a bug. Or is there another explanation? Any insights are welcome.
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AMessageGroupStats&... [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&action=pr... [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=Cen... [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AMessageGroupStats&... [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralNoticeBanners/edit/Wpapp2014A... [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralNoticeBanners/edit/Wpapp2014A...
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Seb35 seb35wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
I get the message "This message group is empty", is it too late to translate or is it a misconfiguration?
Thanks, ~ Seb35
Le Thu, 26 Jun 2014 10:24:23 +0200, Tilman Bayer tbayer@wikimedia.org a écrit:
As many may already have seen, the new, fully revamped mobile Wikipedia app for Android was just released.[1] To bring it to the attention of mobile readers of Wikipedia, we are currently running banners (restricted to Android devices) which still need to be translated into the following languages:
French, Italian, Russian, Japanese, Dutch
(Together with English and German, these correspond to the top 10 languages - including variants - where the app is available in a localized version of sufficient quality, according to the developer team. The banners can be translated into other languages too, but they should only run in a language if the app is available in that language, too.)
The text of the banners:
"The new official Wikipedia app for Android: Faster speed, offline reading, and more." Translate at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=Cen...
"32 million articles, 280+ languages, one app Download the new Wikipedia app now" Translate at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=Cen...
Many thanks!
[1] https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/06/25/revamped-wikipedia-app-now-available-o...
-- Tilman Bayer Senior Operations Analyst (Movement Communications) Wikimedia Foundation IRC (Freenode): HaeB
2014-07-02 5:40 GMT+02:00 Tilman Bayer tbayer@wikimedia.org:
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Tilman Bayer tbayer@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Seb35,
translations are still welcome and needed in these languages (French, Italian, Russian, Dutch). There has been, or maybe still is, a weird technical issue with the first banner's translation group, e.g. the stats page at [1] was claiming until a few hours age this group has 0 units (and 0 have been translated in any language, even though it has 3 units and translations already existed (e.g. [2]), being shown to millions of mobile readers over the last few days. The message you encountered looks like a different symptom of the same problem.
It is looking OK now again though, are you able to enter French translations at [3] now?
The issue is particularly strange because the translation group for the second banner did not show the same behavior (i.e. the stats at [4] continued to correctly show it as containing 3 messages, and recorded the existing translations correctly as well). That's even though both banners are completely identical except for the text,[5][6] and I didn't see anything in the logs that could have caused that difference.
There's a known bug when you mark a page for translation: it does not update the translations statistics with the new marked page, but with the recorded state just before you marked it. Newly marked units are not visible (most probably due to a caching issue: the state o translation units are read and cached before they are updated, and then that cached state is used to generate the statistics.
The Translation tool exhibit this bad behavior since always (this also affects the translations just submitted in a unit: the last updated unit is ignored in statistics, you need to submit that last unit a second time, otherwise you won't reach the 100% completion state).
The workaround is to mark pages a second time (this often requires a pseudo null-edit (adding a space with no visible effect ad marking the page again, I usually play with the space before the slash in <languages />
That bug exists in all Wikimedia wikis, but not in Translate.net because it does not have the same page caching architecture with front proxies. Wikimedia wikis use multiple servers that need to be synchronized: When an API performs an update, cached data must be invalidated before proceeding with another API that will use the modified data (currently that second call will use "preimage" data; and notably all delayed updates currently made by "FuzzyBot").
This also means that Translation statistics are completely wrong. When you want to use translated pages, before exporting make sure you mark all languages again with a pseudo null edit to force statistics to be updated and see if they are really 100% complete or if they still have fuzzy entries.
Someone (Bjankuloski06 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Bjankuloski06) introduced Russian text in the French version !!!
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=CNBanner:Wpapp2014Androidmobile...
I corrected it. Please be careful and select the correct language before translating !!!
2014-07-02 5:23 GMT+02:00 Tilman Bayer tbayer@wikimedia.org:
Hi Seb35,
translations are still welcome and needed in these languages (French, Italian, Russian, Dutch). There has been, or maybe still is, a weird technical issue with the first banner's translation group, e.g. the stats page at [1] was claiming until a few hours age this group has 0 units (and 0 have been translated in any language, even though it has 3 units and translations already existed (e.g. [2]), being shown to millions of mobile readers over the last few days. The message you encountered looks like a different symptom of the same problem.
It is looking OK now again though, are you able to enter French translations at [3] now?
The issue is particularly strange because the translation group for the second banner did not show the same behavior (i.e. the stats at [4] continued to correctly show it as containing 3 messages, and recorded the existing translations correctly as well). That's even though both banners are completely identical except for the text,[5][6] and I didn't see anything in the logs that could have caused that difference. I strongly suspect it's a bug. Or is there another explanation? Any insights are welcome.
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AMessageGroupStats&... [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&action=pr... [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=Cen... [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AMessageGroupStats&... [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralNoticeBanners/edit/Wpapp2014A... [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralNoticeBanners/edit/Wpapp2014A...
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Seb35 seb35wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
I get the message "This message group is empty", is it too late to
translate
or is it a misconfiguration?
Thanks, ~ Seb35
Le Thu, 26 Jun 2014 10:24:23 +0200, Tilman Bayer tbayer@wikimedia.org
a
écrit:
As many may already have seen, the new, fully revamped mobile Wikipedia app for Android was just released.[1] To bring it to the attention of mobile readers of Wikipedia, we are currently running banners (restricted to Android devices) which still need to be translated into the following languages:
French, Italian, Russian, Japanese, Dutch
(Together with English and German, these correspond to the top 10 languages - including variants - where the app is available in a localized version of sufficient quality, according to the developer team. The banners can be translated into other languages too, but they should only run in a language if the app is available in that language, too.)
The text of the banners:
"The new official Wikipedia app for Android: Faster speed, offline reading, and more." Translate at:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=Cen...
"32 million articles, 280+ languages, one app Download the new Wikipedia app now" Translate at:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=Cen...
Many thanks!
[1]
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/06/25/revamped-wikipedia-app-now-available-o...
-- Tilman Bayer Senior Operations Analyst (Movement Communications) Wikimedia Foundation IRC (Freenode): HaeB
Translators-l mailing list Translators-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/translators-l
I do apologize, it was a mistake. The text is Macedonian and it was supposed to go into the /mk translation. Sorry for that.
On 2 July 2014 09:57, Philippe Verdy verdy_p@wanadoo.fr wrote:
Someone (Bjankuloski06 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Bjankuloski06) introduced Russian text in the French version !!!
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=CNBanner:Wpapp2014Androidmobile...
I corrected it. Please be careful and select the correct language before translating !!!
2014-07-02 5:23 GMT+02:00 Tilman Bayer tbayer@wikimedia.org:
Hi Seb35,
translations are still welcome and needed in these languages (French, Italian, Russian, Dutch). There has been, or maybe still is, a weird technical issue with the first banner's translation group, e.g. the stats page at [1] was claiming until a few hours age this group has 0 units (and 0 have been translated in any language, even though it has 3 units and translations already existed (e.g. [2]), being shown to millions of mobile readers over the last few days. The message you encountered looks like a different symptom of the same problem.
It is looking OK now again though, are you able to enter French translations at [3] now?
The issue is particularly strange because the translation group for the second banner did not show the same behavior (i.e. the stats at [4] continued to correctly show it as containing 3 messages, and recorded the existing translations correctly as well). That's even though both banners are completely identical except for the text,[5][6] and I didn't see anything in the logs that could have caused that difference. I strongly suspect it's a bug. Or is there another explanation? Any insights are welcome.
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AMessageGroupStats&... [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&action=pr... [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=Cen... [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AMessageGroupStats&... [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralNoticeBanners/edit/Wpapp2014A... [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralNoticeBanners/edit/Wpapp2014A...
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Seb35 seb35wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
I get the message "This message group is empty", is it too late to
translate
or is it a misconfiguration?
Thanks, ~ Seb35
Le Thu, 26 Jun 2014 10:24:23 +0200, Tilman Bayer tbayer@wikimedia.org
a
écrit:
As many may already have seen, the new, fully revamped mobile Wikipedia app for Android was just released.[1] To bring it to the attention of mobile readers of Wikipedia, we are currently running banners (restricted to Android devices) which still need to be translated into the following languages:
French, Italian, Russian, Japanese, Dutch
(Together with English and German, these correspond to the top 10 languages - including variants - where the app is available in a localized version of sufficient quality, according to the developer team. The banners can be translated into other languages too, but they should only run in a language if the app is available in that language, too.)
The text of the banners:
"The new official Wikipedia app for Android: Faster speed, offline reading, and more." Translate at:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=Cen...
"32 million articles, 280+ languages, one app Download the new Wikipedia app now" Translate at:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=Cen...
Many thanks!
[1]
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/06/25/revamped-wikipedia-app-now-available-o...
-- Tilman Bayer Senior Operations Analyst (Movement Communications) Wikimedia Foundation IRC (Freenode): HaeB
Translators-l mailing list Translators-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/translators-l
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