A the moment a discussion is underway at the Commons about allowing administrators on the commons to view deleted images on all projects [1]. This would allow us to check whether an image with a certain name (or maybe hash) has been uploaded and then deleted on another project for whatever reason (e.g. copyvio etc.). To do this we currently have to contact someone at the project and ask them to do so for us (especially difficult if you do not know their language).
One solution suggested would be to do this using the toolserver, the only trouble is that to do so would require user authentication - which is not permitted by the rules. I was wondering whether it would be possible to get an exemption or alternatively whether a separate authentication system set up on the toolserver tool for such a thing and all current commons admins e-mailed a default password which they can then change.
I hope this makes sense, Robert.
[1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:VP#Viewing_deleted_images_on_other_pro...
Robert Leverington wrote:
One solution suggested would be to do this using the toolserver, the only trouble is that to do so would require user authentication - which is not permitted by the rules.
"Tools and scripts must not ask users to authenticate *using account details from a Wikimedia wiki*." As i understand it, you can't ask them to provide *their wiki password*, but you could have an internal user/password (hashed, please) table, and verify that your internal user is the same as the wiki's on creation: Mailing him a password, requiring to post a token in the wiki to activate his account, etc.
Then you can easily authenticate him.
Platonides wrote:
Robert Leverington wrote:
One solution suggested would be to do this using the toolserver, the only trouble is that to do so would require user authentication - which is not permitted by the rules.
No, the trouble is that we don't have the deleted images on the toolserver. In fact, we don't have any images. Or article text, for that matter. We only replicate meta-data.
But checking if an image was deleted, and for what reason, doesn't require admin privileges. Just look at Special:Log. You need to know the images name, of course, but you would need to know that anyway. *That* seems to real trouble to me. MD5-sums for all uploaded files would be sooo nice...
-- Daniel
MD5-sums for all uploaded files would be sooo nice...
Couldn't a bot generate these and store it on the toolserver?
Sean
On 17/04/07, Daniel Kinzler daniel@brightbyte.de wrote:
Platonides wrote:
Robert Leverington wrote:
One solution suggested would be to do this using the toolserver, the only trouble is that to do so would require user authentication - which is not permitted by the rules.
No, the trouble is that we don't have the deleted images on the toolserver. In fact, we don't have any images. Or article text, for that matter. We only replicate meta-data.
But checking if an image was deleted, and for what reason, doesn't require admin privileges. Just look at Special:Log. You need to know the images name, of course, but you would need to know that anyway. *That* seems to real trouble to me. MD5-sums for all uploaded files would be sooo nice...
-- Daniel
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Sean Whitton wrote:
MD5-sums for all uploaded files would be sooo nice...
Couldn't a bot generate these and store it on the toolserver?
Sean
That bot would have to download all files, in full scale, from all projects. It would never catch up with uploads. It would also be inheritely silly... it's easy to just include that info in the image meta data stored on upload. But it would require a change to the db schema, so it has to be coordinated carefully with server admins. and someone has to write the code, obviously.
-- Daniel
Hmm, good point - it would never keep up. However, a bot would be able to work on images already uploaded if we implemented a system right into MediaWiki.
Perhaps a bugzilla?
Sean
On 17/04/07, Daniel Kinzler daniel@brightbyte.de wrote:
Sean Whitton wrote:
MD5-sums for all uploaded files would be sooo nice...
Couldn't a bot generate these and store it on the toolserver?
Sean
That bot would have to download all files, in full scale, from all projects. It would never catch up with uploads. It would also be inheritely silly... it's easy to just include that info in the image meta data stored on upload. But it would require a change to the db schema, so it has to be coordinated carefully with server admins. and someone has to write the code, obviously.
-- Daniel
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Daniel Kinzler wrote:
Platonides wrote:
Robert Leverington wrote:
One solution suggested would be to do this using the toolserver, the only trouble is that to do so would require user authentication - which is not permitted by the rules.
No, the trouble is that we don't have the deleted images on the toolserver. In fact, we don't have any images. Or article text, for that matter. We only replicate meta-data.
But checking if an image was deleted, and for what reason, doesn't require admin privileges. Just look at Special:Log. You need to know the images name, of course, but you would need to know that anyway. *That* seems to real trouble to me. MD5-sums for all uploaded files would be sooo nice...
-- Daniel
It is Bug 5763, filled a year ago. However, as we will use FileStore, no need to rewrite it before, as well we don't need to create multiple accounts, we will have SUL... Oh, well, at least if Brion doesn't get a girlfriend.
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