Permanent op is discouraged by Freenode guidelines. Permanent voice is ususal habit on the other hand. Danny B. _______________________________________________ Toolserver-l mailing list (Toolserver-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org) https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/toolserver-l Posting guidelines for this list: https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Mailing_list_etiquette

On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 5:48 PM, User:Matthewrbowker <matthewrbowker.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote: What about if we see the flags via ChanServ so that the admins can op themselves if need be? That way, while they don't have permanent op status, they can still intervene if a troll comes along. You're missing the point, this whole discussion is for visibility, not about the non-existent irc trolls. Bryan _______________________________________________ Toolserver-l mailing list (Toolserver-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org) https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/toolserver-l Posting guidelines for this list: https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Mailing_list_etiquette

Along with voicing TS admins, I also propose a clean up in that channel's flag listing. Current flag list of #wikimedia-toolserver is: 1. Austin +votsriRfA 2. James_F +votsriRfA 3. Duesentrieb +votsriRA 4. zwitter +votsriRfAF 5. DaBPunkt +votsriRA 6. APPER +votsriRfA 7. mindspillage +votiA 8. Simetrical +votsrifA 9. Werdna +votsrifA I propose you should create few templates, like 1. founder +vVotsriRfAF 2. admin +vVotsriRA 3. op +votia Here admin means TS admins. I also proposed +V for founders, because the only +F holder is a TS admin. You see, now there is only one with +F, I think there should be at least 2 (as a good practice). Rest of them are trusted users with op rights who can act in need. I think, in that case the list will look great, also the whole the thing will be easily manageable and understandable. Regards, Tanvir Rahman Wikitanvir on Wikimedia