2008/2/7 Danny B. <Wikipedia.Danny.B(a)email.cz>cz>:
I never heard about yearly payment for MS software
unless you lease it. It's been pointed out these are prices for non-profits, so
it's obvious they are much cheaper then retail or even OEM version. Thus I'd take
them as +- final.
Well, I was just surprised that MS would sell a copy of Windows Server
2003 and MS SQL Server to a non-profit for, I think, less than they
would sell Vista and Office . . . to that same non-profit. Or do
their non-server products also give discounts to nonprofits?
I strongly disagree with setting things in the way
"Could it be run elsewhere? Then it should not be on Windows."
I support that attitude in general for Wikimedia, but it's been said
it's not relevant to the toolserver and in particular is not relevant
to this discussion, so there's no reason to talk about it further.
This leads to my other disagreement, which is about
sentences like: "nobody showed the tools = no need for wints". I am pretty sure
there is bunch of Windows programmers out there who don't participate with their
brains because they simply don't have a conditions to. I'd say if there was a
Windows toolserver it would attract other people with new ideas and tools, because they
will have an opportunity to do so.
Sure, quite possibly -- I'm just saying that it seems like a bad idea
to spend money belonging to either the Wikimedia Foundation or any of
its local chapters on a new OS if you have don't have reason to
believe it will actually give any benefit to Wikimedia users. It
seems logical to me to say that you should at least have one project
that will run only if we have a Windows toolserver, because otherwise
I don't see any benefit to anyone. The toolserver enables people to
run tools if they either don't have their own server space or really
need database access; that's basically the only benefit to anyone.
I guess you could argue that it's inevitable someone will want to use
it eventually, for some app they wouldn't have otherwise written. It
just seems sensible to me to find that person *before* you pay a few
hundred dollars, rather than paying it and only then waiting for him
to turn up.
Also thanks to Sebmol who pointed out that every
single person is master of its time. So, please, don't tell people to waste an hour of
their free time to create one tool if they can utilize the same hour to create five tools.
The world isn't single colored. We have wide palette of programming/scripting
languages and different people are familiar with different languages. I am not pushing you
to use those I use, don't push me to use those you use.
This is, again, off-topic. I'll respond off-list.