Yea, there are good reasons to run independant servers. There are also good
reaons to keep everything in one place.
The uptime of the cluster in Amsterdam isn't that
good, an other site
would probably not be much better, but it could be alive while the TS'
in Amsterdam are dead.
While some parts of the system may be down, we didn't have a long downtime of
everything for quite a while now. What does happen is that db replication
breaks, somtimes so badly that we need to re-import. That takes long. This will
hopefull improve seen, stay tuned for a blog post later today :)
Also, there are probably legal reasons for using a
local server for some
type of material, especial regarding privacy but probably also due to
copyright. If something is within the laws about privacy in Norway it is
necessary to know who gets access to the data, which we do not know in
Amsterdam.
Yes, if you keep private info there, this is an issue. We try not to.
Another example is a server for a chapter-only
website, with
read only access after logon for members.
Absolutely. I wouldn't put anything like that on a box with user access. WMDE's
chapter wiki and internal tools are not hosted on the toolserver bot at a
commercial hoster in Germany.
And at last, sometime it seems like the wmde-admins
simply ain't
responsive. Why that is so I don't know, but it is nearly impossible to
run a project when you can't get in touch with the server admins.
Well, it's a volunteer project, so there's no guarantee that anyone does
anything. But... have you tried lately? In addition to me (i suck as an admin),
River and DaB, we have simetrical and werdna now, and avar for OSM-Related
stuff. I think the situation has become much better compared to, say, a year ago.
Anyway - I can see that if you have a sponsor to give the hardware, a place to
put them and the people to maintain them, it's faster and easier to just set
them up and run them. And I'm happy if it works.
I would suggest though that we should set up some means of exchanging info
between the different projects of that kind - to my knowledge, there'S the boxes
in poland, now in norway, and wmde's toolserver. Do you know of more? What would
be a good way to communicate? Yet another mailing list?
-- daniel
Daniel Kinzler wrote:
Adam Dodek Michalik schrieb:
2009/7/29 Andrew Garrett
<agarrett(a)wikimedia.org>rg>:
The German toolserver is in the same rack as the
European proxies, but
it's not better because edits and API requests have to go to Tampa.
So it
seems it's not any faster to run bots form German Toolserver
than from our own, local one, as long as you don't use the database -
am I right? Many people use TS to run their bots on it - including
myself. Wouldn't some local TSs help balance the load?
More servers to run bots on would be a good thing. From a technical point of
view, it would be better to have all of them in the same cluster, so user
accounts and secondary services (svn, jira, etc) can be shared and
administrative overhead is minimized.
The only reasons *not* to do that are political/financial. IF those could be
resolved, that would be great. If not, then yes, having another place to run
bots is still good.
-- daniel
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