Hi, Kathy,
The irony here is that materials that are created in a way that
meshes with already-approved state curriculum frameworks are _also_
available to "a teacher, parent, school, district, or state can take
it, leave it, or adapt it for their needs".
Cheers,
Sanford
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On May 11, 2007, at 11:16 AM, KH wrote:
Although I agree with you, Sanford, with wikibooks, a
teacher, parent,
school, district, or state can take it, leave it, or adapt it for
their
needs.
I'm looking for open curriculum or anything like that out on the
web and
there really isn't anything right now. The South African stuff is a
structure but there isn't anything there for a teacher to use, let
alone
adapt.
-kathy
-----Original Message-----
From: Sanford Forte [mailto:siforte@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 11:07 AM
To: Wikimedia textbook discussion
Subject: Re: [Textbook-l] [Foundation-l] Rethinking brands
The essential challenge is to get end product into the K-12 education
channel, in a way that 1) meshes with the requirements set by state
education departments to strictly adhere to curriculum frameworks;
2) devise
effective means to inform the established K-12 education community
that #1
has been completed (on a subject by subject basis); and, 3)
establish a
means to distribution of materials *in print* that is easy to access.
Content is decidedly _not_ the problem. The real problems are
logistics and
effective project management toward a goal of completing the above,
Cheers,
Sanford
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Sanford Forte, Director
California Open Source Texbook Project
Palo Alto, CA
sforte(a)opensourcetext.org
650-321-9152 (Office)
650-888-0077 (Mobile)
On May 11, 2007, at 10:28 AM, KH wrote:
I was under the impression that wikibooks would
also include
textbooks
for k-12. Normally, k-3 don't have traditional texts because many
are
still learning to read. Later, they read to learn. So much of the
"textbook" is
really worksheets, pictures, and planned lectures and activities.
Actually,
a better word to use for k-3 is curriculum, not textbooks. But I've
read we are not supposed to do curriculum.
Soooo, I'm not sure what wikibooks really is. Here is where I got my
info:
http://www.lessig.org/blog/archives/003069.shtml
Although dated 8/05, it seems Mr. Wales had a definite vision:
"The second thing that will be free is a complete curriculum (in all
languages) from Kindergarten through the University level. There are
several projects underway to make this a reality, including our own
Wikibooks project, but of course this is a much bigger job than the
encyclopedia, and it will take much longer."
Curriculum, by definition, is a package. It can include textbooks
but
certain goes beyond that to worksheets, teacher planning, activities,
etc.
I would love to redo the SRA Direct Instruction curriculum in
wikibooks so that parents AND teachers have an option for
scientificially based curriculum. But according to new definitions,
I'm not sure wikibooks is an appropriate place. Under the old
definition from the website listed above, it is.
-Kathy
-----Original Message-----
Florence Devouard wrote:
I, for one, think it is great to work on better
defining the mission
of Wikibooks. I have one question though, do you know if the
definition worked upon is generally shared with other wikibooks
people ? Are they other wikibooks that have worked on such a
definition, and where the outcome differs widely from yours ?
ant
At last count 18 people supported it and 7 people objected to it.
As others
have already said, some disagree on limiting English Wikibooks to
just
textbooks, how much emphases on textbooks be be given, whether or not
it should be a policy or guideline and some have concerns on the
clarity of the proposal.
There is quite a difference from English Wikibooks' current version
and the German version. Google's German to English translation of the
German Wikibooks version:
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%
2Fde.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki
%2FHilfe%3AWas_Wikibooks_ist&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8
There have been previous proposals on English Wikibooks to redefine
the current policy as well, before they were merged together:
http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?
title=Wikibooks:What_is_Wikibooks/Unstab
le&oldid=600961
http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?
title=Wikibooks:What_is_Wikibooks/Unstab
le&oldid=665481
http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?
title=Wikibooks:What_is_Wikibooks/Unstab
le&oldid=665488
that AFAIK, were abandoned before ever getting to the point of
seeking
input from the community to accept or reject them.
--darklama
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