Hey strategy people,
I'm preparing for my trip to Berlin as well, but one editor has brought up the issue of "ban all ips" on ptwiki's strategy discussion. I have already pointed out that this may go against much of the ideas of the movement and that he should have a solid ground on arguments and facts to make this kind of proposal. However, he has turned it around and simply stated that ips contributions are mostly harmful and went ahead to question quality of content and if readers actually learn something after reading a Wikipedia article. Aside the problem on how to deal with contributions to the strategy process such as these, I think listing the research in this area (possibly translating the most important few) would be a good way to foster better contributions to the discussion.
So, here is my questions, do you know of research into these questions that are not in the strategy portal? Specifically into the IP vs logged in users contributions profile, I believe I've seen a few researches that brushed into this area but can't quite remember where to find them.
Thanks for the help, Chico Venancio
Hey Chio,
I cannot answer you the question about research studies on the quality of IP edits in discussions, but from what I can see until now in the German language Wikipedia discussion is that the contributions of IPs until now were less toxic than some of the comments by long term users. That's why I don't ignore them when reporting the findings.
Cheers, Gereon
Am 29.03.2017 um 12:37 schrieb Chico Venancio:
Hey strategy people,
I'm preparing for my trip to Berlin as well, but one editor has brought up the issue of "ban all ips" on ptwiki's strategy discussion. I have already pointed out that this may go against much of the ideas of the movement and that he should have a solid ground on arguments and facts to make this kind of proposal. However, he has turned it around and simply stated that ips contributions are mostly harmful and went ahead to question quality of content and if readers actually learn something after reading a Wikipedia article. Aside the problem on how to deal with contributions to the strategy process such as these, I think listing the research in this area (possibly translating the most important few) would be a good way to foster better contributions to the discussion.
So, here is my questions, do you know of research into these questions that are not in the strategy portal? Specifically into the IP vs logged in users contributions profile, I believe I've seen a few researches that brushed into this area but can't quite remember where to find them.
Thanks for the help, Chico Venancio
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Hi Chico
Here is the statistics table for every wikipedia.
https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/Sitemap.htm
IP contrib percentage is the column "Human edit by unreg users"
On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 5:44 PM, Gereon Kalkuhl gkalkuhl@freenet.de wrote:
Hey Chio,
I cannot answer you the question about research studies on the quality of IP edits in discussions, but from what I can see until now in the German language Wikipedia discussion is that the contributions of IPs until now were less toxic than some of the comments by long term users. That's why I don't ignore them when reporting the findings.
Cheers, Gereon
Am 29.03.2017 um 12:37 schrieb Chico Venancio:
Hey strategy people,
I'm preparing for my trip to Berlin as well, but one editor has brought up the issue of "ban all ips" on ptwiki's strategy discussion. I have already pointed out that this may go against much of the ideas of the movement and that he should have a solid ground on arguments and facts to make this kind of proposal. However, he has turned it around and simply stated that ips contributions are mostly harmful and went ahead to question quality of content and if readers actually learn something after reading a Wikipedia article. Aside the problem on how to deal with contributions to the strategy process such as these, I think listing the research in this area (possibly translating the most important few) would be a good way to foster better contributions to the discussion.
So, here is my questions, do you know of research into these questions that are not in the strategy portal? Specifically into the IP vs logged in users contributions profile, I believe I've seen a few researches that brushed into this area but can't quite remember where to find them.
Thanks for the help, Chico Venancio
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Thanks, Minh Tuấn, That helps, but I was looking for deeper analises. What percentage is reverted? How much of the toxic contributions are by IP and how much by registred editors? That kind of information.
Chico Venancio (98) 9 8800 2743
2017-03-29 8:28 GMT-03:00 MinhTuan minhtuan74@gmail.com:
Hi Chico
Here is the statistics table for every wikipedia.
https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/Sitemap.htm
IP contrib percentage is the column "Human edit by unreg users"
On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 5:44 PM, Gereon Kalkuhl gkalkuhl@freenet.de wrote:
Hey Chio,
I cannot answer you the question about research studies on the quality of IP edits in discussions, but from what I can see until now in the German language Wikipedia discussion is that the contributions of IPs until now were less toxic than some of the comments by long term users. That's why I don't ignore them when reporting the findings.
Cheers, Gereon
Am 29.03.2017 um 12:37 schrieb Chico Venancio:
Hey strategy people,
I'm preparing for my trip to Berlin as well, but one editor has brought up the issue of "ban all ips" on ptwiki's strategy discussion. I have already pointed out that this may go against much of the ideas of the movement and that he should have a solid ground on arguments and facts to make this kind of proposal. However, he has turned it around and simply stated that ips contributions are mostly harmful and went ahead to question quality of content and if readers actually learn something after reading a Wikipedia article. Aside the problem on how to deal with contributions to the strategy process such as these, I think listing the research in this area (possibly translating the most important few) would be a good way to foster better contributions to the discussion.
So, here is my questions, do you know of research into these questions that are not in the strategy portal? Specifically into the IP vs logged in users contributions profile, I believe I've seen a few researches that brushed into this area but can't quite remember where to find them.
Thanks for the help, Chico Venancio
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Data is here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPs_are_human_too
With respect to undisclosed paid promotional editing, most of this comes from registered accounts which are socks.
An IP address is less anonymous than a user name and these folks generally want to hide their identity / location.
James
On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 5:49 AM, Chico Venancio chicocvenancio@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks, Minh Tuấn, That helps, but I was looking for deeper analises. What percentage is reverted? How much of the toxic contributions are by IP and how much by registred editors? That kind of information.
Chico Venancio (98) 9 8800 2743
2017-03-29 8:28 GMT-03:00 MinhTuan minhtuan74@gmail.com:
Hi Chico
Here is the statistics table for every wikipedia.
https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/Sitemap.htm
IP contrib percentage is the column "Human edit by unreg users"
On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 5:44 PM, Gereon Kalkuhl gkalkuhl@freenet.de wrote:
Hey Chio,
I cannot answer you the question about research studies on the quality of IP edits in discussions, but from what I can see until now in the German language Wikipedia discussion is that the contributions of IPs until now were less toxic than some of the comments by long term users. That's why I don't ignore them when reporting the findings.
Cheers, Gereon
Am 29.03.2017 um 12:37 schrieb Chico Venancio:
Hey strategy people,
I'm preparing for my trip to Berlin as well, but one editor has brought up the issue of "ban all ips" on ptwiki's strategy discussion. I have already pointed out that this may go against much of the ideas of the movement and that he should have a solid ground on arguments and facts to make this kind of proposal. However, he has turned it around and simply stated that ips contributions are mostly harmful and went ahead to question quality of content and if readers actually learn something after reading a Wikipedia article. Aside the problem on how to deal with contributions to the strategy process such as these, I think listing the research in this area (possibly translating the most important few) would be a good way to foster better contributions to the discussion.
So, here is my questions, do you know of research into these questions that are not in the strategy portal? Specifically into the IP vs logged in users contributions profile, I believe I've seen a few researches that brushed into this area but can't quite remember where to find them.
Thanks for the help, Chico Venancio
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Thanks James, I'll translate that.
Chico Venancio (98) 9 8800 2743
2017-03-29 8:55 GMT-03:00 James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com:
Data is here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPs_are_human_too
With respect to undisclosed paid promotional editing, most of this comes from registered accounts which are socks.
An IP address is less anonymous than a user name and these folks generally want to hide their identity / location.
James
On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 5:49 AM, Chico Venancio chicocvenancio@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks, Minh Tuấn, That helps, but I was looking for deeper analises. What percentage is reverted? How much of the toxic contributions are by IP and how much by registred editors? That kind of information.
Chico Venancio (98) 9 8800 2743
2017-03-29 8:28 GMT-03:00 MinhTuan minhtuan74@gmail.com:
Hi Chico
Here is the statistics table for every wikipedia.
https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/Sitemap.htm
IP contrib percentage is the column "Human edit by unreg users"
On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 5:44 PM, Gereon Kalkuhl gkalkuhl@freenet.de wrote:
Hey Chio,
I cannot answer you the question about research studies on the quality of IP edits in discussions, but from what I can see until now in the German language Wikipedia discussion is that the contributions of IPs until now were less toxic than some of the comments by long term users. That's why I don't ignore them when reporting the findings.
Cheers, Gereon
Am 29.03.2017 um 12:37 schrieb Chico Venancio:
Hey strategy people,
I'm preparing for my trip to Berlin as well, but one editor has brought up the issue of "ban all ips" on ptwiki's strategy discussion. I have already pointed out that this may go against much of the ideas of the movement and that he should have a solid ground on arguments and facts to make this kind of proposal. However, he has turned it around and simply stated that ips contributions are mostly harmful and went ahead to question quality of content and if readers actually learn something after reading a Wikipedia article. Aside the problem on how to deal with contributions to the strategy process such as these, I think listing the research in this area (possibly translating the most important few) would be a good way to foster better contributions to the discussion.
So, here is my questions, do you know of research into these questions that are not in the strategy portal? Specifically into the IP vs logged in users contributions profile, I believe I've seen a few researches that brushed into this area but can't quite remember where to find them.
Thanks for the help, Chico Venancio
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The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine
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