On 10 May 2017 at 19:33, Tomasz Ganicz polimerek@gmail.com wrote:

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Good.. I actually created this:

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Strategia_Wikimedia_2017

adding some tango icons to the page and you can copy paste the structure without meta related templates - if you want to your own wikis.

I am just thinking if to split discussion pages into each theme - or rather keep all thematic discussion in one place? This is the issue how we are about to report cycle 2 discussions? How the local discussions are about to be included in overal process?

Re: How we are to report the discussions, good question! There is a new table format for the Sources pages, which should make it easier for us to summarize and analyze the responses, no matter what discussion format/location is used. The page uses a single table that has 2 new columns for the Themes and the Questions. (instead of multiple tables)

Please: * *Translate the new string* at https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Sources * *Create new Sources pages for your community's Cycle 2 discussions*, by using the box there. It will contain the new table structure. * *Update those Sources pages at least once a week during Cycle 2*, or more often if needed, so that it isn't a rush for you at the end, and so that mid-cycle analysis can occur.

* Ask us if you have any questions, but hopefully the new default page and table design is self-explanatory. ** I am due to receive "example statements" soon, and I will update any created pages with those examples, as soon as possible.

Here are some additional ideas, regarding how to structure the discussion pages on your local wikis, or for offwiki discussions:

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From: Jan Eissfeldt jeissfeldt@wikimedia.org Date: Wed, May 10, 2017 at 10:18 AM

Moin,

I did toy with the question over the weekend as well and while I didn't build a template, four ways with potentially useful points have emerged that could be informative if one thinks about the local wikis discussion approaches individually:

1. Big wikis with a lot of feedback: If one expects a lot of local

traffic, it is probably wise to clone the six-page-structure Nick and Karen have established on Meta. Be mindful that Tracks C and D are scheduled (sort of) to provide further insights during the cycle, as noted on the actual theme pages, so there might be more content coming your community might be interested in later on (which could be a good tool to use to re-start debates that have slowed down, depending on what that C/D stuff looks like). Feedback-heavy communities like the German Wikipedia might be served well by this approach.

2. Wikis with one strategy page: If one has a local page called

"/Wikimedia 2030", "/Strategy", or something else not tied to specific cycles but worked well for you during cycle 1, it could make a lot of sense to re-use that page by simply

• moving the cycle 1 content into an expandable box on the bottom,
• putting the cycle 2 themes and questions onto the page and
• link the research (or link to Meta where the research can be found)

Like the C/D insights, the research can also be brought up as useful in dialogues, of course, but that seems me to depend quite a bit on local discussion culture. Re-using the page also preserves links, watchlist placements volunteers might have set previously, etc. It is also the reason why Nick did not remove the generic landing pages listed on Participate https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Participate while updating the page for cycle 2.

3. General discussion page-section approach: If one has used a section on

the local village pump during cycle 1 and that worked well, there probably is no reason not to do so again during cycle 2 - although I would recommend to put the translated themes at least onto a local landing page (and potentially transclude that page onto the village pump section) while posting the questions directly into the village pump.

4. Offwiki communities: If the local community mainly or entirely

discusses its stuff off-wiki and has done so with strategy during cycle 1 fairly well, there seems to be a sound case to respect those habits and surface the cycle 2 content online. Based on cycle 1 experiences, language communities like Chinese, Hindi, and Japanese certainly fall into that category. There is value in updating those Wikipedia language versions brief local landing pages for cycle 2 but for the off-wiki main discussions can probably be informed in most cases by links to the respective translated versions on Meta too (which saves some updating time on Track C/D content).

Best, Jan

Thanks. :-)

Nick / Quiddity

Just as the hebrew page https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%93%D7%99%D7%94:%D7%94%D7%AA%D7%94%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%9A_%D7%94%D7%90%D7%A1%D7%98%D7%A8%D7%98%D7%92%D7%99_%D7%9C%D7%A9%D7%A0%D7%AA_2017. thanks Tomasz!

Ran

2017-05-11 18:10 GMT+03:00 Samuel Guebo samuelguebo@gmail.com:

@Tomasz, thank you very much for sharing your link. The French discussion page was mostly inspired by yours https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Wikipédia:Mouvement_Wikimedia/Stratégie_2017

It did speed things up. Thanks again.

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 5:33 PM, Tomasz Ganicz polimerek@gmail.com wrote:

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Good.. I actually created this:

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Strategia_Wikimedia_2017

adding some tango icons to the page and you can copy paste the structure without meta related templates - if you want to your own wikis.

I am just thinking if to split discussion pages into each theme - or rather keep all thematic discussion in one place? This is the issue how we are about to report cycle 2 discussions? How the local discussions are about to be included in overal process?

2017-05-10 3:42 GMT+02:00 Nick Wilson (Quiddity) nwilson@wikimedia.org:

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Hello all,

Thank you for your patience as we prepared Cycle 2 for launch! We are pleased to announce that the majority of Cycle 2 pages are now set up on Meta, and will be publicly announced shortly. At this point, we would like you to start translating the following pages:

Highest priority:

• https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/ 2017/Cycle_2 (please translate this page first out of everything)

  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/ 2017/Cycle_2/Healthy,_Inclusive_Communities https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Cycle_2/Healthy,_Inclusive_Communities

  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/ 2017/Cycle_2/The_Augmented_Age

  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/ 2017/Cycle_2/A_Truly_Global_Movement https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Cycle_2/A_Truly_Global_Movement

  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/ 2017/Cycle_2/The_Most_Respected_Source_of_Knowledge https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Cycle_2/The_Most_Respected_Source_of_Knowledge

  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/ 2017/Cycle_2/Engaging_in_the_Knowledge_Ecosystem https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Cycle_2/Engaging_in_the_Knowledge_Ecosystem

Lower priority:

• https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/ 2017/Cycle_2/Organize

  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/ 2017/Cycle_2/Organize/Groups

  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Strategy/Wikimedia_ movement/2017/navbox

Or, use the AggregateGroup: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/i ndex.php?title=Special:Translate&group=agg-2017_Wikimedia_mo vement_strategy_process https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=agg-2017_Wikimedia_movement_strategy_process

There might be some re-ordering of content, but the words will remain the same.

More information and updates soon.

Much thanks, as always. :-)

-- Nick Wilson (Quiddity) Community Liaison, WMF

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