We need to have develop apks (the file format for an app) that can be passed around by USB stick or other method and yes more mirrors are important. We need to make it clear that it is impossible to suppress open content :-)

James

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 5:14 AM, Ilario Valdelli <valdelli@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes but we are speaking about Turkey.

Kiwix is offline but also *portable*. It's sufficient to download once and
to distribute many times.

Kind regards

Il 08 Mag 2017 12:11, "Gabriel Thullen" <gabriel@thullen.com> ha scritto:

> Yes, we need to promote Kiwix. We need to ensure that people with no
> internet access can get Kiwix and that means that we do need to "clone
> Wikipedia content".
> It is quite expensive to download Kiwix because of the huge data charge
> that it implies, and it also takes for ever with a poor connection. We tend
> to forget that when we live in countries where we have 24H 7/7 unlimited
> internet...
>
> Best regards
> Gabe
>
> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Bodhisattwa Mandal <
> bodhisattwa.rgkmc@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > We need to promote Kiwix - definitely, but should we promote Wikipedia
> > zero? May be not, unless the issue of net neutrality is clearly
> addressed.
> > We need to remember that some countries had to ban different zero
> services,
> > as they clearly violated net neutrality and people were against them.
> >
> > Regards
> > On May 8, 2017 1:23 PM, "Ilario Valdelli" <valdelli@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In these cases the big advantage is the capacity to be cloned. A
> > > governement can block an ip or a domain but it would be hard to block
> > > internet.
> > >
> > > The good approach is to invite the web to host kiwix and zim files for
> > > downloading. That would be easier than cloning Wikipedia content.
> > >
> > > However that approach will save readers but not writers.
> > >
> > > Kind regards
> > >
> > > Il 07 Mag 2017 23:36, "Gabriel Thullen" <gabriel@thullen.com> ha
> > scritto:
> > >
> > > > I agree with James that we need to encourage initiatives like Kiwix
> > > > Wikipedia Zero. We need to be able to distribute Kiwix in countries
> > that
> > > > have blocked Wikipedia, because it is no big deal for a government to
> > > block
> > > > the Kiwix.org site as well, and phone operators providing Wikipedia
> > Zero
> > > > will have to obey government injunctions. Chances are that a block on
> > > > kiwix.org will hardly be noticed by our community. Looks like the
> good
> > > old
> > > > sneakernet with USB flash drives is still a viable option...
> > > >
> > > > Gabe
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 10:50 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak <
> darekj@alk.edu.pl
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Yup. It would be interesting to ponder if wiki app could channel
> > > through
> > > > > Tor by default - in the spirit of The Guardian project. Informing
> > users
> > > > > about Tor benefits has obvious disavantages related to the fact
> that
> > > most
> > > > > people will not be able to grasp it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dariusz Jemielniak
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 9:26 PM, James Heilman <jmh649@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > The issues occurring in Turkey highlight that we may also need to
> > > keep
> > > > in
> > > > > > mind:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * Access
> > > > > >
> > > > > > over the next 15 years. Where access is not only potentially
> > hindered
> > > > by
> > > > > > governments but also technical and monetary realities in various
> > > > country
> > > > > > and region. We of course have already worked and continue to do
> > work
> > > in
> > > > > > this area with initiatives like Wikipedia Zero and Offline
> > Wikipedia
> > > /
> > > > > > Kiwix.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > James
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 6:25 PM, Katherine Maher <
> > > kmaher@wikimedia.org>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *Summary: The report from cycle 1 discussion is online[1]. The
> > > start
> > > > of
> > > > > > > cycle 2 is delayed until next week.*
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thank you for your contributions! We have been hard at work
> > > reading,
> > > > > > > sorting, and summarizing more than 1,800 community member
> > > statements,
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > > more than 100 community discussions from across five
> continents.
> > > Each
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > these statements was a response to the question: "What do we
> want
> > > to
> > > > > > build
> > > > > > > or achieve together over the next 15 years?"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can find the full report on the major themes, and more
> > details
> > > > > about
> > > > > > > them, in a summarized report on Meta-Wiki.[1]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Some common themes emerged from these conversations:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > * Reliable, neutral, high-quality content
> > > > > > > * Community health & support
> > > > > > > * Internal & external collaboration
> > > > > > > * Improved and new features
> > > > > > > * Users, editors, & contributors
> > > > > > > * Outreach, awareness, & promotion
> > > > > > > * Innovation and adaptation
> > > > > > > * Funding, staffing, and other organizational needs
> > > > > > > * Support for emerging communities
> > > > > > > * Advancing Wikipedia in education
> > > > > > > * Movement values
> > > > > > > * Sustainability & growth
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Each of these themes is described in more detail within the
> body
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > > report,[1] and the full data spreadsheet from this analysis
> will
> > be
> > > > > > posted
> > > > > > > soon.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The movement strategy team has been working to group these
> themes
> > > > > > together,
> > > > > > > so that we have a smaller number of concepts to consider in the
> > > next
> > > > > > cycle.
> > > > > > > Because this work is important, we want to make sure the
> grouping
> > > and
> > > > > > > analysis are comprehensive and thoughtful. In order to make
> sure
> > we
> > > > can
> > > > > > get
> > > > > > > it right, we’re delaying the start of cycle 2 discussions until
> > > next
> > > > > > week.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As you probably know, the Turkish authorities blocked Wikipedia
> > in
> > > > > Turkey
> > > > > > > this week.[2] We’ve been working around the clock to understand
> > the
> > > > > > > circumstances and respond appropriately, including appealing in
> > > > Turkish
> > > > > > > court. We’re grateful to everyone who has reached out to offer
> us
> > > > your
> > > > > > > thoughts and perspective. Government limitations on free
> > knowledge
> > > > are
> > > > > > just
> > > > > > > one of the critical issues that have come up during the
> movement
> > > > > strategy
> > > > > > > process. As we confront these challenges in real time, it has
> > been
> > > a
> > > > > > > reminder for me how important our work is, and how it has very
> > real
> > > > > > > implications for people around the globe. Again, thank you.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kendine iyi bak (Turkish translation: “Take care of yourself”),
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Katherine
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > PS. A version of this message is available for translation on
> > > > > > Meta-Wiki.[3]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> > > > > > > movement/2017/Cycle_1/Report
> > > > > > > [2]
> > > > > > > https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/04/30/turkish-
> > > > > > authorities-block-wikipedia/
> > > > > > > [3]
> > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> > > > > > > movement/2017/Updates/5_May_2017_-_Update_15_on_Wikimedia_
> > > > > > > movement_strategy_process
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Katherine Maher
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wikimedia Foundation
> > > > > > > 149 New Montgomery Street
> > > > > > > San Francisco, CA 94105
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > +1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6635
> > > > > > > +1 (415) 712 4873
> > > > > > > kmaher@wikimedia.org
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> > > > > __________________________
> > > > > prof. dr hab. Dariusz Jemielniak
> > > > > kierownik katedry Zarządzania Międzynarodowego
> > > > > i grupy badawczej NeRDS
> > > > > Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego
> > > > > http://nerds.kozminski.edu.pl
> > > > >
> > > > > członek Akademii Młodych Uczonych Polskiej Akademii Nauk
> > > > >
> > > > > Wyszła pierwsza na świecie etnografia Wikipedii "Common Knowledge?
> An
> > > > > Ethnography of Wikipedia" (2014, Stanford University Press) mojego
> > > > > autorstwa http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?id=24010
> > > > >
> > > > > Recenzje
> > > > > Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml
> > > > > Pacific Standard:
> > > > > http://www.psmag.com/navigation/books-and-culture/
> > > > killed-wikipedia-93777/
> > > > > Motherboard: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/an-ethnography-of-
> > > > wikipedia
> > > > > The Wikipedian:
> > > > > http://thewikipedian.net/2014/10/10/dariusz-jemielniak-
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