Dear WSC,

I think we need to be very precise about what the Berkman controversy is about. My understanding is that the use of banners with logo's on central notice during the fundraiser and the kickback of donations is at the heart of the controversy. It is not about the legitimacy of the research institutes, nor is it about surveys as a research methodology, or the actual research questions. As such, I think that we need to discus how to to promote research studies but not debate the merits of Wikipedia research itself.

Best

Diederik

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On 2011-12-12, at 13:30, WereSpielChequers <werespielchequers@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm comfortable with a meeting next week, but I think that the community and our research partners will want to hear something in the meantime. There would also be a benefit if we could hold some on wiki discussions as to the Omnibus survey or any other option.

Clearly one of our options would be to run an RFC to seek consent of the EN wiki community for us to resume Berkman and run similar things in the future. But even if we promised some sort of vanilla  advert for it I doubt we would get consensus or anything close.

We could probably get consensus for an opt in research system so that those who wanted to could subscribe to some sort of research mailing list of questionnaires. But I don't think that opt in would give us the volume that researchers are likely to want and I fear we'd have skews.

If anyone can think of an alternative option I would suggest creating a draft such as I have at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Omnibus_Survey so that we and the community can consider it.

Another way to defuse current tension would be for Rcomm  to invite a couple of the people who have been arguing against the Berkman survey to join us in our meeting next week.

Regards

WSC

On 12 December 2011 17:52, Dario Taraborelli <dtaraborelli@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hi WSC,

thanks for starting this, I agree we need to have a serious assessment of what happened with the Berkman incident and discuss alternative options (if any) for the future.
I suggest that we hold an extraordinary RCom meeting some time next week to discuss these measures since we have other SR requests on hold.

If nobody objects I am going to start a doodle to find a date that suits most of us (cc:ing Dana). It'd be great if those among you heavily invested in SR discussions/reviews could make it.

Dario

On Dec 12, 2011, at 6:50 AM, WereSpielChequers wrote:

Dear All,

After the rather hostile response on the English language wikipedia to the Berkman survey I would like to revive my proposal from five months ago for an annual Omnibus survey. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Omnibus_Survey

I appreciate that this would put some constraints on the researchers and would actually cost the Foundation a bit of money. But unless someone else can come up with an alternative way of fairly throttling research surveys to the point where the community can accept them, I would suggest that this is the only viable option on  the table other than a simple blanket ban on third party research surveys.

Regards

WereSpielChequers
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