Hiya
 
I think ... trashing on wikipedia-l... is now a habit.
 
I really apology for starting such a mess 2 days ago; I just could not foresee some people could take so badly my comments. Even those on spanish americans which I felt was really polite and not critical. But this was my mistake.
 
I feel very low about all this right now. I strongly have the feeling that either what we write on wikipedia-l will lead to criticism, to insult or belittling, or that what we write will meet a total wall of silence. I am not sure I joined wikipedia for this. Neither for harsh criticism like we got about the html letter, nor for silence like on some recent topics where absolutely no feed back was given. I am actually balancing between either unregistering the wikipedia-l, or telling a couple of people very rude things.
 
Regardless..., Cormac..., I think that if so many people registered the news list, it means that many are interested. So, this should cheer us up. We can do it steps by steps. Each version will bring a new improvement. This time, the improvement will be 1) a mail address 2) many people registered and 3) a mail. This is good. Improvements will be brought to number 4.
 
As I told Samuel, I would really like that Quarto 3 is published before the elections are done. First because it is high time, second because it summarize many of the things we have been doing, and third because I tried to explain a little bit how the board has been working in the past year.
 
I rather doubt it will be all translated before the end of the elections; But I wish it is ;-)
Still, I think that as soon as it is entirely done in english (are only left a few polishing details and translation of the board letter - I hope all is done by this week end), we should announce it in english. Perhaps only in the english wikipedia and the foundation-l, and call for help for translation.
 
It would be good that the email announcement is made before 2 weeks. 3 maximum. I know it won't be all translated in many languages by then. But I think if it is announced in 5 weeks, it will not be good.
 
Regarding your planned posting, I have a suggestion to do. I am not sure I understand why you want to do this test posting, but for testing if things are working fine. If not, explain to me the reason of the test ?
If testing is the reason, I am a bit worried of the idea of sending the announcement of quarto number 2 as a test... People will really get confused !!!
I might then make a suggestion : why not sending as a test the announcement for quarto 3 available in english ?
Later, we will send the announcement in more languages.
 
If so, what we really need as text is
 
Object of the mail : Newsletter of the Foundation : Quarto 3 released in english !
 
en:
This is the announcement for quarto 3. It will contain blablalbla....
blablabla
blablabla
link.
 
 
de:
<in german>Quarto 3 has been released in english version. Translation in other languages is under way. We'll keep you informed of the release in german"</in german>
 
 
fr:
<in french>Quarto 3 has been released in english version. Translation in other languages is under way. We'll keep you informed of the release in french"</in french>
 
What do you think ?
 
 
At worse, we can even add a little text in english at the top, saying
"This is the first mail sent through this list and we are very much in the testing phase. Please forgive us if anything goes wrong :-) Thanks."
 
 
What do you think ?
If this is okay to you, we mostly need to fix the little non english sentence and have it translated in say 2-3 days. It should not be a huge problem.
If not okay, you should correct the french version, it mentions third trimester rather than fourth :-)
 
Cheers
 
Ant

Cormac Lawler <cormaggio@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry everyone for my timeout on the Quarto front - I felt quite
despondent after the trashing on the wikipedia-l list of our html
idea. Sj has just asked if we could send out a simple text email this
week as a pilot to the release of WQ3, so here's my draft version.
Some questions:
*It's copied and pasted from the same source as before; The text
(including Japanese) works in my email client (gmail) - does it in
yours?
*The text said WQ2 was available in 5 languages - I've changed most of
them to 9, but there are some, like Czech which had five in words and
I don't know what five is in Czech. Japanese has a few numbers in the
line, but Aphaia (or another Japanese speaker) will have to clear that
one up for us.
*There's a Dutch (Nl) release message but no official link from the
WMF Quarto. What should we do about this?

Oh, and generally, what changes do you all think we should make to the
below text? Sj was hoping to send something out this weekend..

Regards
Cormac


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Content includes: greetings from the Board of Trustees; greetings from
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