On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:40 PM, Merlijn van Deen <valhallasw@arctus.nl> wrote:

Hi Amir,

On 14 August 2013 16:22, Amir Ladsgroup <ladsgroup@gmail.com> wrote:

As you probably know We had a workshophttp://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/DevCamp/Schedule on Wikimania's DevCamp about using PWB for people who are interested.

Cool!

but It was a very big problem that installation of PWB is not user-friendly (and It's worse when people try to install rewrite instead of trunk) The main cause as far as we faced during the workshop (on different computers) is dependencies.

This surprises me, as this was not an issue during the Amsterdam hackathon - and we used rewrite! However, we used a nightly instead of git, which might explain at least part of the difference. What was the audience (how experienced with wikipedia as writer / AWB / ..., running windows or linux, etc), and how did they install and configure pwb?

They were from different kind of expertise from new to wikipedia to someone who ran bots in toolserver. The biggest issue was we couldn't get reach to user-cofnig.py (sometimes people try to install several clones). I really prefer the old school in this field. We can store user-config in the clone (core) folder instead of .pywikibot

Maarten (multichill) has suggested we change setup.py and generate_user_config.py and make a auto-generated list of needed dependencies (based on OS or other things) and ask user when he/she wants to install that which one you need! and install it right away. another suggestion (my idea) is an example:

This is certainly an option. Maybe Dr.Trigon can suggest something in this direction - the current method of downloading dependencies/externals when needed is reasonable, I think.

Alternatively, I'd like to suggest nightlies as main distribution method. At least the core nightly is completely self-contained: it has translations *and* httplib2 (the only required external library). For most people, that would be the easiest way of installing pywikibot.

Nightly needs some fixations I don't Legoktm did it or not but we have to check it

When someone doesn't install i18n submodule. Codes breaks (error that says "import i18n, there is no module named "i18n"" or something like that) but we have to catch this error and ask a question and ask do you want to install i18n submodule? and maybe a user doesn't want to install it (just wants to run it in English WP) We have to let the user run the code.

It's impossible to run a bot without i18n submodule, because *all* translations are in the translation file, also the English version! The code only knows the key (e.g. 'commons-file-moved', not '[[:File:%(localfile)s|File]] moved to [[:commons:File:%(commonsfile)s|commons]].').

Yeah. You're right

Best,
Merlijn

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Amir