In the same vein, here's a bit of depressing news: France had just
signed a five-year national license with Elsevier for 172 millions euros
(here are some details in French, translation to come:
)
Not only is this a heavy burden on a shrinking research budget, but it
means the global transition of French research to OA is delayed for
another five years. With the ability to read Elsevier journals, most
researchers are unlikely to shift form their usual paywall-closed (and
publishers-owned) publication model… We are truly in a deadlock. I'm
really hoping the Netherlands could come to a better agreement (or,
better still, avoid /any /agreeement). That would be a big leap forward
and a strong signal sent to my governement…
Pierre-Carl
Le 05/11/14 22:51, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov a écrit :
@Yana Absolutely! Once things have gone that far
there's almost no
room to manoeuvre. As the term OA is already very well accepted by
most stakeholders, my feeling is that we must - together with OKFN and
others - make a greater effort to defend its original definition.
Currently no one is fighting OA per se, the struggle is about what it
means. Recent blogposts were a good move on that ;)
@Lodewijk Please ping us on any meaningful developments. We do have a
central interest in OA.
Dimi
2014-11-05 22:36 GMT+01:00 L.Gelauff <lgelauff(a)gmail.com
<mailto:lgelauff@gmail.com>>:
Hi,
as a little background:
The Dutch government put down a requirement to the universities
that they have to provide open access to their publications, i
believe from the top of my head 60% open access in 5 years, 100%
in 10. At the same time, the universities are renewing their
X-year contract with major publishers, and this is the first time
[citation needed] they put together their negotiating powers and
negotiate through their Universities association. This is the
negotiations about access to works published by (in this case)
Elsevier. It seems the discussions got bundled (which makes sense
given the fact that the business model has to change). To me, this
feels mostly that universities are playing it hard, and they
simply tell their researchers now "doom and fail, from 1 january,
you can't access Elsevier papers any more, because they don't meet
our demands" which of course gets lots of press attention, and
might help Elsevier to lower their price and conditions.
I would be highly surprised if Elsevier and the universities would
actually not come to an understanding before the deadline. So yes,
the focus is on publishing and access to Dutch publications by the
whole world, but please note that this is a precondition for
re-use. And also, you'll probably have a hard time to explain the
scientist community why their papers should be reusable...
especially with all the plagiarism discussions going on currently
(in the Netherlands and also Germany I think). Lets count our
blessings, and be happy if the Netherlands universities are able
to make good deals and change the business model - that would be a
big leap already I think (most countries are not even close to
this, to the best of my knowledge, although the rumour has it that
the UK is going the same way).
Also, to be able to create compendia of free knowledge, /access/
to publications is the first necessary step of course. Being able
to copy and edit papers would be a nice to have, but that would
also first require being able to see it :)
Finally, this would 'only' be locked down for 5 or 10 years I
think, another cycle, another revolution.
Following these discussions with a lot of interest from closeby,
Lodewijk
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Yana Welinder
<ywelinder(a)wikimedia.org <mailto:ywelinder@wikimedia.org>> wrote:
Interesting development. Thanks for forwarding, Dimi! >From
the press release, it sounds like they were focusing of
accessibility rather than free reuse. It would be nice to be
able to add reuse to the agenda for these kind of
negotiations, before they reach deadlock of course.
Best,
Yana
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Dimitar Dimitrov
<dimitar.dimitrov(a)wikimedia.de
<mailto:dimitar.dimitrov@wikimedia.de>> wrote:
FYI
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From: *LIBLICENSE* <liblicense(a)gmail.com
<mailto:liblicense@gmail.com>>
Date: Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 6:11 PM
Subject: Elsevier & Dutch universities in a stand-off
To: LIBLICENSE-L(a)listserv.crl.edu
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From: Jos Damen <josephcmdamen(a)gmail.com
<mailto:josephcmdamen@gmail.com>>
Date: Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:58 AM
"Negotiations between Elsevier and universities failed
(PRESS RELEASE
VSNU, 4 November 2014)
Universities want to move to Open Access publications
Negotiations between the Dutch universities and publishing
company
Elsevier on subscription fees and Open Access have ground
to a halt.
In line with the policy pursued by the Ministry of
Education, Culture
and Science, the universities want academic publications
to be freely
accessible. To that end, agreements will have to be made
with the
publishers. The proposal presented by Elsevier last week
totally fails
to address this inevitable change. The universities hope
that Elsevier
will submit an amended proposal. ‘From now on we will
inform our
researchers about the consequences of this deadlock’, says
Gerard
Meijer, president of Radboud University Nijmegen and chief
negotiator
on behalf of the VSNU."
More:
http://www.vsnu.nl/news/newsitem/11-negotiations-between-elsevier-and-unive…
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