Good morning, everybody!
The Freedom of Panorama compromise amendment that we were working on for the past months and that looked like a very likely scenario is off now. This isn't good news. At the end, even the UK Conservatives tried to save it. This is somewhat positive. However, not enough shadows signed off on it.
This means that now we're back to the original text of the report, which reads:
#16 Calls on the EU legislator to ensure that the use of photographs, video footage or other images of works which are permanently located in public places is permitted;
The risk is that amendments filed by a number of MEPs from the largest groups will be voted on. These include "non-commercial":
AM 415/422/423 (identical) #16 *Invites* the EU legislator to *recognise* that the use of photographs, video footage or other images of works which are permanently located in *physical* public places is permitted *and should be considered to be in the public domain, where that use is for a non-commercial purpose or scale;*
The legal affairs committee (JURI) has 24 voting members, which means we need 12 people against to be sure they won't pass and the original text stands. Counting abstentions probably even fewer than 12 no votes will be enough, but let's aim for the full dozen.
The vote is next Tuesday. The fact that the AM is legally incoherent should help us bring up some additional good arguments against. I will be contacting the Europeans among you with more specific briefs on who to call and what to say.
Cheers, Dimi
On Wed, 10 Jun 2015, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov wrote:
Good morning, everybody!
The Freedom of Panorama compromise amendment that we were working on for the past months and that looked like a very likely scenario is off now. This isn't good news. At the end, even the UK Conservatives tried to save
What was the "compromise amendment" text? Sorry I don't follow everything fully.
~Marcin
It was basically saying that images and video footage of buildings and statues that are permanently located in physical public places shall be permitted and that does not alter the copyright status of the photographs.
Would you be willing to give Ziwefka a ring in the name of ISOC PL?
Dimi
2015-06-10 9:28 GMT+02:00 Marcin Cieslak saper@saper.info:
On Wed, 10 Jun 2015, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov wrote:
Good morning, everybody!
The Freedom of Panorama compromise amendment that we were working on for the past months and that looked like a very likely scenario is off now. This isn't good news. At the end, even the UK Conservatives tried to save
What was the "compromise amendment" text? Sorry I don't follow everything fully.
~Marcin
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Dimi, What do you mean by being it off now? Does this mean that the last Shadow meeting put it off the table? And why? Jan ______________________________________________________________
Od: Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com Komu: Advocacy Advisory Group for WMF LCA Advocacy_Advisors@lists.wikimedia.org Datum: 10.06.2015 08:51 Předmět: [Advocacy Advisors] Freedom of Panorama Compromise Amendment Off
Good morning, everybody!
The Freedom of Panorama compromise amendment that we were working on for the past months and that looked like a very likely scenario is off now. This isn't good news. At the end, even the UK Conservatives tried to save it. This is somewhat positive. However, not enough shadows signed off on it.
This means that now we're back to the original text of the report, which reads:
#16Calls on the EU legislator to ensure that the use of photographs, video footage or other images of works which are permanently located in public places is permitted; The risk is that amendments filed by a number of MEPs from the largest groups will be voted on. These include "non-commercial":
AM 415/422/423 (identical) #16 Invites the EU legislator to recognise that the use of photographs, video footage or other images of works which are permanently located in physical public places is permitted and should be considered to be in the public domain, where that use is for a non-commercial purpose or scale;
The legal affairs committee (JURI) has 24 voting members, which means we need 12 people against to be sure they won't pass and the original text stands. Counting abstentions probably even fewer than 12 no votes will be enough, but let's aim for the full dozen.
The vote is next Tuesday. The fact that the AM is legally incoherent should help us bring up some additional good arguments against. I will be contacting the Europeans among you with more specific briefs on who to call and what to say.
Cheers,Dimi
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Yes, it is completely gone. We're back to original text plus original amendments. I don't want to speculate about the reasons on a public mailing list, but let's just say that many MEPs feel insecure when it comes to copyright and the collecting societies are lobbying for NC.
The important thing now is that many MEPs vote against AMs 415/417/422/423 (identical) and the original text stands.
2015-06-10 10:12 GMT+02:00 aktron@centrum.cz:
Dimi,
What do you mean by being it off now? Does this mean that the last Shadow meeting put it off the table? And why?
Jan
Od: Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com Komu: Advocacy Advisory Group for WMF LCA <
Advocacy_Advisors@lists.wikimedia.org>
Datum: 10.06.2015 08:51 Předmět: [Advocacy Advisors] Freedom of Panorama Compromise Amendment Off
Good morning, everybody!The Freedom of Panorama compromise amendment that we were working on for the past months and that looked like a very likely scenario is off now. This isn't good news. At the end, even the UK Conservatives tried to save it. This is somewhat positive. However, not enough shadows signed off on it.
This means that now we're back to the original text of the report, which reads:
#16 Calls on the EU legislator to ensure that the use of photographs, video footage or other images of works which are permanently located in public places is permitted; The risk is that amendments filed by a number of MEPs from the largest groups will be voted on. These include "non-commercial":
AM 415/422/423 (identical) #16 *Invites* the EU legislator to *recognise* that the use of photographs, video footage or other images of works which are permanently located in *physical* public places is permitted *and should be considered to be in the public domain, where that use is for a non-commercial purpose or scale;*
The legal affairs committee (JURI) has 24 voting members, which means we need 12 people against to be sure they won't pass and the original text stands. Counting abstentions probably even fewer than 12 no votes will be enough, but let's aim for the full dozen.
The vote is next Tuesday. The fact that the AM is legally incoherent should help us bring up some additional good arguments against. I will be contacting the Europeans among you with more specific briefs on who to call and what to say.
Cheers, Dimi
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2015, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov wrote:
Yes, it is completely gone. We're back to original text plus original amendments. I don't want to speculate about the reasons on a public mailing list, but let's just say that many MEPs feel insecure when it comes to copyright and the collecting societies are lobbying for NC.
The important thing now is that many MEPs vote against AMs 415/417/422/423 (identical) and the original text stands.
I also think that the original text is good and should be kept.
Do we have a voting list?
~Marcin
Not yet ready.
For now important is to vote against any AM that mentions NC. These are 415/417/422/423 (identical)
In the voting list it will probably be only one of them, most likely 422.
2015-06-10 10:21 GMT+02:00 Marcin Cieslak saper@saper.info:
On Wed, 10 Jun 2015, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov wrote:
Yes, it is completely gone. We're back to original text plus original amendments. I don't want to speculate about the reasons on a public
mailing
list, but let's just say that many MEPs feel insecure when it comes to copyright and the collecting societies are lobbying for NC.
The important thing now is that many MEPs vote against AMs
415/417/422/423
(identical) and the original text stands.
I also think that the original text is good and should be kept.
Do we have a voting list?
~Marcin
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A little update:
We basically asked everyone to call their MEPs, but things still look hung. Wikimedia UK and Wikimedia CZ have released public communications on the topic in the hope of getting some media traction.
https://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2015/06/uk-at-risk-of-losing-freedom-of-panora... http://blog.wikimedia.cz/2015/06/evropska-reforma-autorskeho-prava-ovlivni-t...
Trying to get MEPs from DE, UK, HU, LU to from pro-NC to at least neutral.
The three French MEPs in this committee are at this time impossible to reach and worrying us.
Have a great Friday! Dimi
2015-06-10 10:25 GMT+02:00 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com>:
Not yet ready.
For now important is to vote against any AM that mentions NC. These are 415/417/422/423 (identical)
In the voting list it will probably be only one of them, most likely 422.
2015-06-10 10:21 GMT+02:00 Marcin Cieslak saper@saper.info:
On Wed, 10 Jun 2015, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov wrote:
Yes, it is completely gone. We're back to original text plus original amendments. I don't want to speculate about the reasons on a public
mailing
list, but let's just say that many MEPs feel insecure when it comes to copyright and the collecting societies are lobbying for NC.
The important thing now is that many MEPs vote against AMs
415/417/422/423
(identical) and the original text stands.
I also think that the original text is good and should be kept.
Do we have a voting list?
~Marcin
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