Listen I'm doing this on a volunteer level, I'm not taking orders.
When the foundation wants to destroy Wikipedias reputation by forcing a net neutrality violating project on the community in the end I don't care - it's the reputation of Wikimedia which is destroyed not mine.
The arguments are on the table for months. Reality is unfolding. Ignore reality or don't. Read the Wikipedia article on net neutrality and than ask yourself for what questionable reasons a misguided project is run by the foundation and if stopping and rethinking the original purpose instead of ignorantly continuing would be the better path to walk.
Some people in the Foundation are doing whatever they wanna do, obviously arguments don't matter, so reality has to teach them via the consequences which will appear because of these ignorant behaviour.
Pushing Wikimedia out of the alliances of the civil movement which is taking care of a free and open web maybe isn't a good idea. But then again some people always need the hard way to learn.
I spent enough volunteer time of trying to explain, but fighting ignorance is nothing I will spent my precious time with.
Jens Am 23.09.2014 07:00 schrieb "Cristian Consonni" kikkocristian@gmail.com:
2014-09-23 6:21 GMT+02:00 Jens Best jens.best@wikimedia.de:
Yes, there are documents. Nearly the whole conference was documented in writing and on video. Apart from the conference it can be seen in the way anti-net neutrality lobbyists and politicians argue. The crack in the net neutrality alliances made by Wikipedia Zero are used by lobbyists of
certain
interests. Or did you just wanted to suggest that I'm lying, Christian?
For the IGF positions, I like to read opinions which are different from mine and if they are written there is usually more material for thought. Secondly, I would like to know if the idea of "lobbyists are using Wikipedia Zero to crack net neutrality" is a theoretical thing or it is happening now as in "there are actual lobbyists going around advocating Wikipedia Zero for their own purposes" (and I mean Wikipedia Zero *specifically* not zero rating in general). As the case of Chile is showing, I would like to know if something we think (in this case "Wikipedia Zero can be treated as an exception because it's free knowledge") is a theoretical possibility (even if it is a reasonable possibility) or if it is something that is happening on the ground.
C
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