Dear all,
Sorry for jumping into this very interesting discussion rather late.
Also, I regret not having been able to come to yesterday's net politics
bear. Although I agree with Jens that zero-rated services are
incompatible with net neutrality it seems that this discussion is indeed
over. :-(
This is why I think we should focus on how to communicate those two
positions (pro Wikipedia Zero + pro net neutrality) in the framework of
Brussels advocacy. It seems that Google, Facebook and the like are doing
this quite successfully
(
)
and it might even be that many decision makers even won't care too much
about an exception to net neutrality for Wikipedia or other useful
services. After all:
- It does give access to less connected countries/societies to some
parts of the Internet;
- It can increase online participation; and
- It can foster knowledge sharing among the people concerned.
I guess the bottom line could be that net neutrality is no ideology
(=zero-rating is okay), but should protect consumers and content
providers from having to pay ISPs in order to be accessible at all or at
an acceptable speed (=bad for Wikimedia and other content providers).
In terms of advocacy it's a slippery slope and if I could, I would have
advised to EITHER promote Wikipedia Zero OR defend net neutrality.
Any thoughts welcome.
Jan
Am 10.08.2014 um 18:32 schrieb Jens Best:
The discussion seems to be over:
According to the press Patricio Lorente, member of the Foundation's
board, said:
"Access to information is a basic human right. If net neutrality is
hurting a human right, we have to rethink net neutrality."
Haven't heard such a single-sided, unbalanced and self-righteous
statment for a while.
So, people standing for net neutrality are now became enemies of basic
human rights in the understanding of the foundation. - Well, if this
low level of discussion is reached, I guess it doesn't make sense to
discuss the subject with the foundation at all.
Byebye
Jens
2014-08-09 13:09 GMT+02:00 Stevie Benton
<stevie.benton(a)wikimedia.org.uk <mailto:stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.uk>>:
Hello everyone. I don't actually have a solution, although I am
thinking about it a lot. But for anyone who is in doubt about the
potential difficulties that net neutrality faces because of
Wikipedia Zero, I recommend they take a look at this blog. It is
written from what I consider the "critical friend" perspective and
articulates the arguments of Jens and others very clearly.
https://www.accessnow.org/blog/2014/08/08/wikipedia-zero-and-net-neutrality…
It also reflects my own view pretty well. I hope we can have a
calm and reasoned discussion about this issue this evening at the
net politics beer.
Thanks and regards,
Stevie
On 5 August 2014 07:08, Juergen Fenn
<schneeschmelze(a)googlemail.com
<mailto:schneeschmelze@googlemail.com>> wrote:
2014-08-05 2:54 GMT+02:00 Lila Tretikov <lila(a)wikimedia.org
<mailto:lila@wikimedia.org>>:
We tend to go out pontificating on these lists.
What would
be helpful is
solutioning. For net neutrality, how would you
reconcile the
need for free
public access to information with the ideals of
net
neutrality? This is the
library analogy. We believe libraries should
exist in this
new digital
world. Do you advise that they cannot? And if
they can, how
should we
articulate this better?
Go ahead and take a stab at it.
The solution probably is to go and partner with the libraries
instead
of the ISPs. Leave it to the libraries which ISP they choose.
It is up
to the libraries to provide access to resources for their
users. They
select the resources they provide and they mind the technical side
behind it all. This is not the WMF's business. You only run the WP
website and care about the community.
Regards,
Jürgen.
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