Hi James and Amgine,

nobody denies that Wikimedia already applies privacy by design and by default, as intended by the Commission. But we should read the draft through European lenses and that means: the intention to apply a new gold standard of privacy matters to all data controllers. For us as consumers this is very good news. Regarding the necessities of an open platform, we should accurately analyze if there are any requirements we can't comply with.

You will find the Art. 17.2 proposed by the EU commission on page 96 (left column)

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meetdocs/2009_2014/documents/libe/pr/922/922387/922387en.pdf

It says:

"Where the controller ... has made the personal data public, it shall take all reasonable steps, including technical measures, in relation to data for the publication of which the controller is responsible, to inform third parties which are processing such data, that a data subject requests them to erase any links to, or copy or replication of that personal data. Where the controller has authorised a third party publication of personal data, the controller shall be considered responsible for that publication."

Many law experts (IANAL) went nuts when they read this particular paragraph. The new Art. 2a (same page, right column) proposed by the rapporteur brings freedom of expression into play. So this was the basic message I wanted to give: the proposal is getting better, but still has to go through several stages of the drafting process. The Parliament is bound to find a common position until end of february.

Regards, Jan

2013/1/11 Amgine <amgine@wikimedians.ca>
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On 11/01/13 10:06 AM, Jan Engelmann wrote:
> No, our concerns weren't paranoid at all. Have you even read the
> initial Draft Poposal? OK, let's shift the scenario from a
> WP-article about a public figure to personal data embedded in user
> pages or discussion pages. Then any erasure based on data
> protection claims would affect the consistency of the whole
> project. Aren't we worried about authors' retention all the time?
> Here is another reason why. And how do you judge the surveillence
> program deriving from Art 17.2? Do you think a volunteer community
> which is already concerned with maaany copyright and personality
> rights issues could handle that? And please, AGF. J


I believe it has already been mentioned: we already do this stuff. I
also mentioned I am not as familiar as I should be with the proposal,
but most likely the communities can (and will, if the proposal is
implemented) develop methods to comply with the surveillance program.
Again, we already do.

I wonder more if the proposal is balanced and implementable, if
compliance is measurable, and what incentives and disincentives it
provides. On the face of it, the synopses suggest it should be
supported by the WMF though it does not go as far as our communities
already do.

Amgine
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