The discussion seems to be over:

According to the press Patricio Lorente, member of the Foundation's board, said:

"Access to information is a basic human right. If net neutrality is hurting a human right, we have to rethink net neutrality."

Haven't heard such a single-sided, unbalanced and self-righteous statment for a while.

So, people standing for net neutrality are now became enemies of basic human rights in the understanding of the foundation. - Well, if this low level of discussion is reached, I guess it doesn't make sense to discuss the subject with the foundation at all.

Byebye

Jens






2014-08-09 13:09 GMT+02:00 Stevie Benton <stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.uk>:
Hello everyone. I don't actually have a solution, although I am thinking about it a lot. But for anyone who is in doubt about the potential difficulties that net neutrality faces because of Wikipedia Zero, I recommend they take a look at this blog. It is written from what I consider the "critical friend" perspective and articulates the arguments of Jens and others very clearly. 

https://www.accessnow.org/blog/2014/08/08/wikipedia-zero-and-net-neutrality-wikimedia-turns-its-back-on-the-open

It also reflects my own view pretty well. I hope we can have a calm and reasoned discussion about this issue this evening at the net politics beer.

Thanks and regards,

Stevie


On 5 August 2014 07:08, Juergen Fenn <schneeschmelze@googlemail.com> wrote:
2014-08-05 2:54 GMT+02:00 Lila Tretikov <lila@wikimedia.org>:
> We tend to go out pontificating on these lists. What would be helpful is
> solutioning. For net neutrality, how would you reconcile the need for free
> public access to information with the ideals of net neutrality? This is the
> library analogy. We believe libraries should exist in this new digital
> world. Do you advise that they cannot? And if they can, how should we
> articulate this better?
>
> Go ahead and take a stab at it.

The solution probably is to go and partner with the libraries instead
of the ISPs. Leave it to the libraries which ISP they choose. It is up
to the libraries to provide access to resources for their users. They
select the resources they provide and they mind the technical side
behind it all. This is not the WMF's business. You only run the WP
website and care about the community.

Regards,
Jürgen.

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