I agree with Raul generally, but the context/actual setting thing seems to
be one of the lesser evil specimens of only slightly unclear wording. After
all: It's the freedom of _panorama_ and not a carte blanche to do whatever
with works sitting in public places :)
2016-05-12 18:24 GMT+02:00 L.Gelauff <lgelauff(a)gmail.com>om>:
Yup, it also exists in Dutch law, although I'm
uncertain if the phrasing
is exactly the same. The result of it, was I think only one case where was
decided in favour of the author (architect): the Erasmus bridge in
Rotterdam. Someone tried to take a cutout of the bridge (the shape) and use
it as a logo. That was not a permitted use according to the judges, as it
was explicitely taking everything out of context. Also, a piece of art in
the public space (a couch in Enschede) was used in the design of a
newspaper, which was also not permitted. Apparently, it is also not
permitted to make a 'compilation of all works of a single architect'.
So yeah, exceptions make life tough - but some might be acceptable if that
makes the change in law more likely to actually happen.
Lodewijk
2016-05-12 12:13 GMT+02:00 Raul Veede <raul.veede(a)gmail.com>om>:
Whenever there'll be a discussion of the
actual wording for FoP in EU,
I'd say it'd be best if we explained why it is a very, very bad idea to
include any such foggy clauses - this "natural environment", references to
the 3-step test, the German-Czech exception, anything "fair", estimations
by the amount of creativeness in a work, etc. The only positive effect of
such clauses is they provide some emotional comfort to their supporters,
while they also bring legal unclarity, court battles and repressed creative
initiative for decades to come. Good laws are as clear and concise as
possible.
Raul
On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov <
dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, it is full FoP for architecture and
sculpture. The only restriction
being that images should be permanent in public places and that they need
to be "in their natural environment". This exists also in Dutch law if I am
not mistaken. Not sure how to interpret it exactly - I guess you must
always see at least a little bit of background.
Dimi
2016-05-12 11:54 GMT+02:00 <aktron(a)centrum.cz>cz>:
Hello,
Can I get some more info on this (English presumably will be ok). Or
just to shorten it, Is there a FoP for commercial use in Belgium being
currently proposed? And will it be voted?
Thanks
Aktron
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> Od: Robin Pepermans <robinp.1273(a)gmail.com>
> Komu: Publicpolicy Group for Wikimedia <
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> Datum: 12.05.2016 09:29
> Předmět: Re: [Publicpolicy] Selfies at the Atomium soon legally
>
There will apparently be a second reading in committee on the request
of PS (Parti Socialiste). No information on when that would be, but we'll
contact MPs to try to find out.
The media expects this bill to pass very easily though, given the
cross-party political support.
Regards
SPQRobin
2016-05-11 15:59 GMT+02:00 Jan Gerlach <jgerlach(a)wikimedia.org>rg>:
> This is great, Romaine!
> When would you expect the vote in Parliament?
> Best,
> Jan
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 7:31 PM, Romaine Wiki <romaine.wiki(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> "Selfies at the Atomium soon legally"
>> was the title of an article of 11 May of De Redactie at:
>>
http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/politiek/1.2652533
>>
>> A quote translated:
>> The Parliamentary Committee for Economy is almost finished with the
>> introduction of the so-called "freedom of panorama".
>>
>> It seems the next step has been taken!
>> Romaine
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