Would you please take me off moderation if you are too busy to attend to the task?<br><br>On Sunday, August 3, 2014, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov &lt;<a href="mailto:dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com">dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Hi everyone,<br><br></div>I originally planned the lunch to be after the talk and the panel discussion, so we can of follow-up on the raised questions in more depth with the most interested people. I realised it overlaps with the Wiki Women&#39;s Lunch immediately after that but didn&#39;t act on it, as this is Wikimania and any slot would have conflicted with other exciting and important events. <br>

<br>I now realise that there is considerable interest in having the two at different times, which is of course the best thing that can happen. I will therefore try to move the Digital Rights Lunch to Saturday. It would be before the other events, but that can be a blessing, as it will give us a chance to talk to people beforehand. <br>

<br>Alternatively we could go for organising a NetPoliticsBeer [1] Saturday evening. This could give us the chance to meet with activists in London who are not necessarily going to the conference, thus would suit the reach-out idea much better. I know, however, that evening plans can be just as tricky. Let me know if you would prefer this solution! <br>

<br>I don&#39;t think there will be a problem rescheduling it, but I will confirm tomorrow. It is close to midnight here :)<br><br></div>Cheers,<br>Dimi<br><br>[1] <a href="http://npbx.wordpress.com/about/" target="_blank">http://npbx.wordpress.com/about/</a></div>

<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-08-03 22:54 GMT+02:00 Luis Villa <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;lvilla@wikimedia.org&#39;);" target="_blank">lvilla@wikimedia.org</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
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I should add that I apologize to Yana and the other women on the list for not spotting and raising  this problem earlier. We&#39;re only going to get better on our gender problem if we all take responsibility for spotting and dealing with problems like this one. That includes me; I failed to do that here, so my apologies. <span><font color="#888888"><div>


<br></div></font></span><div><span><font color="#888888">Luis</font></span><div><div><br><div><br>On Sunday, August 3, 2014, Luis Villa &lt;<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;lvilla@wikimedia.org&#39;);" target="_blank">lvilla@wikimedia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>

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<div dir="ltr">Given the bluntly awful representation of women around the projects[1], yes, the WikiWomen&#39;s lunch should get some different deference. It is unfortunate that the issue was raised so close to the date of the conference[2], but I hope Dimi will try to find some alternatives that are workable.<div>



<br></div><div>Luis<br><div><br></div><div>[1] Take a look at who posts on this list. Or <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee#mediaviewer/File:AffCom_group_photo_-_Wikimedia_Conference_2014.jpg" target="_blank">the membership of affcom</a>. Or... I could go on and on with examples.</div>



</div><div>[2] I, like many of you, will have to reschedule some other lunch meetings if the date for this is changed.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 1:25 PM, L.Gelauff <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a>lgelauff@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>



<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi Yana,<div><br></div><div>that is the downside of having a wikiwomen lunch in the first place of course - any meeting that would be planned in parallel would face the same problem I guess (maybe except a WikiGuys lunch) of an underrepresentation of women. I&#39;m not sure if that should mean that the Sunday lunch should therefore be off limits to any other meetings... </div>





<div><br></div><div>Lodewijk</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-08-03 22:10 GMT+02:00 Yana Welinder <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a>ywelinder@wikimedia.org</a>&gt;</span>:<div>

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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>I just realized that you scheduled the Digital Rights Networking Lunch at the same time as the WikiWomen’s lunch. It doesn&#39;t look like a lot of people have confirmed attendance and it hasn&#39;t been added to the official Wikimania program.  So perhaps there is still time to reschedule. </div>







<div><br></div><div>Scheduling these two meetings at the same time means that most women who are interested in policy will not be able to attend and the gathering will be akin to an old-boys club. That in turn gives Wikimedia’s policy efforts less legitimacy in the broader digital rights community, which has had a lot of discussions about gender balance and has pretty good female representation overall. I know that the Wikimania schedule is tight, but there must be a way you can schedule this to avoid excluding an entire gender!</div>







<div><br></div><div>Best, </div><div>Yana</div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 3:34 AM, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a>dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>







</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hi all,<br><br></div>I&#39;ve set up a page [1] and requested a room for our networking lunch on Sunday. It will be in parallel with the WikiWomen&#39;s Lunch, so I apologise to everyone whose scheduling now got even harder. This was, however, the best possible timeslot I could manage. <br>








<br></div>As it is not possible to get a list of all Wikimania attendees and filter out the digital and policy activists among them to send out invitations, please help me by inviting anyone you know will be present and interested. <br>








<br>Thanks,<br></div>Dimi<br><div><div><br>[1]<a href="https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Digital_Rights_Networking_Lunch" target="_blank">https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Digital_Rights_Networking_Lunch</a><br>







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