On Wednesday, June 25, 2014, Fabrice Florin &lt;<a href="mailto:fflorin@wikimedia.org">fflorin@wikimedia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi Faidon,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for reaching out to us about this opportunity. </div><div><br></div><div>I can’t speak to the future of Cortado, and defer to folks with more technical expertise to discuss its long-term potential.</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Long term, Cortado is dead; some of its former maintainers are helping me with ogv.js. :) </div><div><br></div>All we need from it is a short term packaging fix that will get it working again.<div>
<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><br></div><div>But at this point in time, I would welcome any practical solution that can enable video playback for over 100 million users who now cannot view videos on our sites. </div>
<div><br></div><div>According to Brian, we already have Cortado up and running, and it can support video playback for about 80% of people who use Safari or IE on desktop machines. That is significant, even if it’s not the ideal long-term solution.</div>
<div><br></div><div>So I would recommend that we spend the couple hundred dollars required for the &quot;signed&quot; flag to work in modern browsers. It’s a small price to pay for enabling videos on our sites for these users, even if we switch to another solution down the line.</div>
<div><br></div><div>What do others think?</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I tend to agree that we should go ahead and fix the signature. Should be a quick fix, and lets us work on the other solutions as they&#39;re ready.</div>
<div><br></div><div>We&#39;re still not sure how easy it&#39;ll be to integrate ogv.js into TMH, or if it&#39;ll have to depend on the Kaltura upgrade, and the Flash version needs more tuning to work on the old IE versions that the Java applet covers now.</div>
<div><br></div><div>-- brion</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Fabrice</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On Jun 19, 2014, at 9:20 AM, Faidon Liambotis &lt;<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;faidon@wikimedia.org&#39;);" target="_blank">faidon@wikimedia.org</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<br><blockquote type="cite">Hi folks,<br><br>Brian Wolff (Cc&#39;ed) requested a few days ago for Wikimedia to sign the<br>Cortado Java applet that we serve as a fallback to play video on<br>browsers that do not support Ogg video. That&#39;s RT #7695.<br>
<br>From Brian&#39;s request: &quot;Java has changed their default security settings<br>so that unsigned java applets (and even signed applets missing<br>permissions attribute) generally don&#39;t run. In order to make this<br>
fallback work, we should sign the java applet.&quot;<br><br>A non-EV code-signing certificate costs something between $200-$500 per<br>year but before we go ahead and consider making this expense, I&#39;d like<br>to open the discussion about Cortado&#39;s future.<br>
<br>I know Brion Vibber (also Cc&#39;ed) has made a significant effort on<br>implelementing Ogg/Ogv decoding functionality in Javascript and Flash<br>with an end-goal of replacing Cortado, among others. We also had an<br>
impromptu discussion with Brion and a few others in Zurich<br>(unfortunately with noone from multimedia, though), during which it was<br>widely agreed that Java applets provide a very poor user experience in<br>the modern web landscape.<br>
<br>What&#39;s the multimedia team&#39;s &amp; community&#39;s opinion on that? Do you have<br>any plans regarding Cortado and/or ogv.js? Do you think we should invest<br>further into Cortado?<br><br>Thanks,<br>Faidon<br>
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