Please can somebody take look at this. http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Movement_roles_project/Current_p...
It seems to me crystal clear that any organization working in the real world has the role and the need of fund raising no mater if it is a chapter or not.
But it seems that I am unable to explain it. It seems that Beria believes that the only way to raise funds is signing an agreement with WMF.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
I think, Joan, there's a misunderstanding here about what does *fund raising * mean. If it has to do with *raising funds*, in the general sense, I agree with you. However, in case we are talking about the global *fundraising*campaign, then the general agreement, even within this MR working group, is that it is restricted to WMF and those Wikimedia chapters able to participate, mostly because partner organizations or whatever Wikimedian association different from a chapter won't necessarily be subject to the territory of a certain state (be it national or subnational) as chapters are.
I think Béria understands your edits in the second sense, and you intend to mean the former: that Amical, for instance, is able to raise funds. Rewording that may avoid the edit war, IMHO.
Best, galio
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Joan Goma jrgoma@gmail.com wrote:
Please can somebody take look at this. http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Movement_roles_project/Current_p...
It seems to me crystal clear that any organization working in the real world has the role and the need of fund raising no mater if it is a chapter or not.
But it seems that I am unable to explain it. It seems that Beria believes that the only way to raise funds is signing an agreement with WMF.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
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Please do not edit war over this.
I think all groups in the movement with trademark agreements will be able to participate in fundraisnig in the sense of raising funds on their own. Direct fundraising via the sitewide notice during the annual fundraiser is different, and has so far been restricted to a subset of chapters.
There is a question of what it means to share banner-driven fundraising 'proportionally' with groups -- whether geolocating a reader's IP is a good method for defining proportionality for some groups, and whether any other methods make sense. And there are philosophical differences about whether this concept of proportionality, rather than something tied to mission-aligned work / effective planning / measurable impact is a good long-term model.
I do not expect us to fully resolve this question by the summer, we should focus on identifying points where there is no consensus.
SJ
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 5:26 PM, Joan Goma jrgoma@gmail.com wrote:
Please can somebody take look at this. http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Movement_roles_project/Current_p...
It seems to me crystal clear that any organization working in the real world has the role and the need of fund raising no mater if it is a chapter or not.
But it seems that I am unable to explain it. It seems that Beria believes that the only way to raise funds is signing an agreement with WMF.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
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On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Galileo Vidoni galio2k@gmail.com wrote:
I think Béria understands your edits in the second sense, and you intend to mean the former: that Amical, for instance, is able to raise funds. Rewording that may avoid the edit war, IMHO.
+1
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