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Hampton Catlin

29 Nov 2011 29 Nov '11

6:40 p.m.

Ok, so since no one else is discussing this... And maybe this is just my egomania gone crazy.... But... does the mobile site seem less responsive recently? I'm finding it sluggish. :P :P Things I can see that might be causing it: * The JS isn't bundled * The JS isn't gzipped! * The CSS is in two requests (bundle) Any ideas? Am I just crazy? -hampton.

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Brion Vibber

29 Nov 29 Nov

6:58 p.m.

We should make sure there are measurements along the lines of response & load times... For the bundling; would it make sense to make use of ResourceLoader's bundling facilities? -- brion On Nov 29, 2011 9:40 AM, "Hampton Catlin" <hcatlin(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

Ok, so since no one else is discussing this... And maybe this is just my egomania gone crazy.... But... does the mobile site seem less responsive recently? I'm finding it sluggish. :P :P Things I can see that might be causing it: * The JS isn't bundled * The JS isn't gzipped! * The CSS is in two requests (bundle) Any ideas? Am I just crazy? -hampton. _______________________________________________ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l

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Tomasz Finc

7:13 p.m.

We could but we wouldn't be able to use it on non jQuery compatible phones. Lots of BlackBerrys chocked really badly on jQuery. What's the status on making ResourceLoader not jQuery dependent? I heard that it barely needs it yet bundles all of it. --tomasz On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Brion Vibber <bvibber(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

We should make sure there are measurements along the lines of response & load times... For the bundling; would it make sense to make use of ResourceLoader's bundling facilities? -- brion On Nov 29, 2011 9:40 AM, "Hampton Catlin" <hcatlin(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

Ok, so since no one else is discussing this... And maybe this is just my egomania gone crazy.... But... does the mobile site seem less responsive recently? I'm finding it sluggish. :P :P Things I can see that might be causing it: * The JS isn't bundled * The JS isn't gzipped! * The CSS is in two requests (bundle) Any ideas? Am I just crazy? -hampton. _______________________________________________ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l

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Hampton Catlin

7:14 p.m.

You can always just append. On Nov 29, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Tomasz Finc wrote:

We could but we wouldn't be able to use it on non jQuery compatible phones. Lots of BlackBerrys chocked really badly on jQuery. What's the status on making ResourceLoader not jQuery dependent? I heard that it barely needs it yet bundles all of it. --tomasz On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Brion Vibber <bvibber(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: We should make sure there are measurements along the lines of response & load times... For the bundling; would it make sense to make use of ResourceLoader's bundling facilities? -- brion On Nov 29, 2011 9:40 AM, "Hampton Catlin" <hcatlin(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: Ok, so since no one else is discussing this... And maybe this is just my egomania gone crazy.... But... does the mobile site seem less responsive recently? I'm finding it sluggish. :P :P Things I can see that might be causing it: * The JS isn't bundled * The JS isn't gzipped! * The CSS is in two requests (bundle) Any ideas? Am I just crazy? -hampton. _______________________________________________ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l _______________________________________________ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l

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Brion Vibber

7:19 p.m.

Sure; then you need to either ensure that gets maintained properly or devise a second on-demand cache-friendly bundler to do it at runtime. Smartphones with real HTML and JS support at some point should receive a fully functional page, including site and user extensibility such as gadgets. To me it makes sense to go down the road of common infrastructure. -- brion On Nov 29, 2011 10:14 AM, "Hampton Catlin" <hcatlin(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

You can always just append. On Nov 29, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Tomasz Finc wrote: We could but we wouldn't be able to use it on non jQuery compatible phones. Lots of BlackBerrys chocked really badly on jQuery. What's the status on making ResourceLoader not jQuery dependent? I heard that it barely needs it yet bundles all of it. --tomasz On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Brion Vibber <bvibber(a)wikimedia.org>wrote;wrote:

We should make sure there are measurements along the lines of response & load times... For the bundling; would it make sense to make use of ResourceLoader's bundling facilities? -- brion On Nov 29, 2011 9:40 AM, "Hampton Catlin" <hcatlin(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

Ok, so since no one else is discussing this... And maybe this is just my egomania gone crazy.... But... does the mobile site seem less responsive recently? I'm finding it sluggish. :P :P Things I can see that might be causing it: * The JS isn't bundled * The JS isn't gzipped! * The CSS is in two requests (bundle) Any ideas? Am I just crazy? -hampton. _______________________________________________ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l

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Brion Vibber

7:16 p.m.

I suspect a lightweight loader could be devised; at a minimum we should be able to use the bundling/minification/caching system. -- brion On Nov 29, 2011 10:13 AM, "Tomasz Finc" <tfinc(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

We could but we wouldn't be able to use it on non jQuery compatible phones. Lots of BlackBerrys chocked really badly on jQuery. What's the status on making ResourceLoader not jQuery dependent? I heard that it barely needs it yet bundles all of it. --tomasz On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Brion Vibber <bvibber(a)wikimedia.org>wrote;wrote:

We should make sure there are measurements along the lines of response & load times... For the bundling; would it make sense to make use of ResourceLoader's bundling facilities? -- brion On Nov 29, 2011 9:40 AM, "Hampton Catlin" <hcatlin(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

Ok, so since no one else is discussing this... And maybe this is just my egomania gone crazy.... But... does the mobile site seem less responsive recently? I'm finding it sluggish. :P :P Things I can see that might be causing it: * The JS isn't bundled * The JS isn't gzipped! * The CSS is in two requests (bundle) Any ideas? Am I just crazy? -hampton. _______________________________________________ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l

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Tomasz Finc

7:18 p.m.

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Hampton Catlin <hcatlin(a)wikimedia.org>wrote;wrote:

Ok, so since no one else is discussing this... And maybe this is just my egomania gone crazy....

A little crazy is good.

But... does the mobile site seem less responsive recently? I'm finding it sluggish. :P

No one else has said anything to me about slow speed and most have commented about speed ups. But its always good to check in on things. Here is what status says http://status.wikimedia.org/8777/131339/Mobile-site I've asked the ops team a number of times to get actual latency history but its still not there. let me check how their doing in rt. Things I can see that might be causing it:

* The JS isn't bundled * The JS isn't gzipped! * The CSS is in two requests (bundle)

Yay profiling. --tomasz

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