Hi, when mobile WP was in its childhood, it was decided that we're not ready to display videos on our pages, so they were stripped. And stripped very crudely, by removing just #ogg_player_1 and #ogg_player_2 so that only first two videos on a page were removed. What are your opinions - shoudld we continue doing this?
I would like to see videos working on mobile
Yet there seems to be two issues here. 1) Cleaning up MobileFrontend code We are stripping the ogg_player by parsing and cleaning up the HTML We could probably do this in css/javascript instead.
2) Making videos work on mobile where supported If we were to explore enabling videos on mobile we would have to look at the ogg player javascript code associated with it and get it working on mobile or create our own code that knows how to read it. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OggHandler
I'm also concerned about the size of the javascript module and since it is not needed by every page I would argue that it should only be loaded when the video is clicked (the existing extension may do this or not I'm not clear): https://git.wikimedia.org/blob/mediawiki%2Fextensions%2FOggHandler/895f74e63...
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Max Semenik maxsem.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, when mobile WP was in its childhood, it was decided that we're not ready to display videos on our pages, so they were stripped. And stripped very crudely, by removing just #ogg_player_1 and #ogg_player_2 so that only first two videos on a page were removed. What are your opinions - shoudld we continue doing this?
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There are also unresolved codec issues with playing videos (no H264 support), so even if we do enable video playback it'll not be available everywhere, and even in places where it is it is going to be a biggish battery sink (no hardware decoding support). Would want to consider that before enabling it fully.
Also, I'm sortof sure that the actual people who did the media work do not actually subscribe to mobile-l. In general, I think we should use wikitech-l for all tech discussions.
-- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog
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This sounds like something that might be good for the newly forming multimedia team to work on. As Yuvi pointed out (off the wikitech-l list):
"There are also unresolved codec issues with playing videos (no H264 support), so even if we do enable video playback it'll not be available everywhere, and even in places where it is it is going to be a biggish battery sink (no hardware decoding support). Would want to consider that before enabling it fully."
I envision the mobile team helping to support this, but folks who focus on multimedia-related stuff would probably be the best candidates for digging into this and figuring out how we can best move forward.
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 6:16 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
I would like to see videos working on mobile
Yet there seems to be two issues here.
- Cleaning up MobileFrontend code
We are stripping the ogg_player by parsing and cleaning up the HTML We could probably do this in css/javascript instead.
- Making videos work on mobile where supported
If we were to explore enabling videos on mobile we would have to look at the ogg player javascript code associated with it and get it working on mobile or create our own code that knows how to read it. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OggHandler
I'm also concerned about the size of the javascript module and since it is not needed by every page I would argue that it should only be loaded when the video is clicked (the existing extension may do this or not I'm not clear):
https://git.wikimedia.org/blob/mediawiki%2Fextensions%2FOggHandler/895f74e63...
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Max Semenik maxsem.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, when mobile WP was in its childhood, it was decided that we're not ready to display videos on our pages, so they were stripped. And stripped very crudely, by removing just #ogg_player_1 and #ogg_player_2 so that only first two videos on a page were removed. What are your opinions - shoudld we continue doing this?
-- Best regards, Max Semenik ([[User:MaxSem]])
Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
-- Jon Robson http://jonrobson.me.uk @rakugojon
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On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Arthur Richards arichards@wikimedia.org wrote:
This sounds like something that might be good for the newly forming multimedia team to work on
This is in the purview new multimedia team that Fabrice will be PM'ing (CC'ing him). I spoke with him today and mentioned this thread. Expect him to comment.
--tomasz
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Max Semenik maxsem.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, when mobile WP was in its childhood, it was decided that we're not ready to display videos on our pages, so they were stripped. And stripped very crudely, by removing just #ogg_player_1 and #ogg_player_2 so that only first two videos on a page were removed. What are your opinions - shoudld we continue doing this?
So, here's the thing -- we've dropped OggHandler and switched to TimedMediaHandler which outputs its markup differently -- the new system is not stripped by MobileFrontend!
Videos used in the wikis today actually output a <video> element pointing by default to a WebM source. These *actually work* in Chrome and Firefox on Android... but iOS and other non-Android systems will generally not have WebM support and will show a "broken video" placeholder.
We're still kinda talking internally about license issues for H.264 support... whee
-- brion
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On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Brion Vibber bvibber@wikimedia.orgwrote:
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Max Semenik maxsem.wiki@gmail.comwrote:
Hi, when mobile WP was in its childhood, it was decided that we're not ready to display videos on our pages, so they were stripped. And stripped very crudely, by removing just #ogg_player_1 and #ogg_player_2 so that only first two videos on a page were removed. What are your opinions - shoudld we continue doing this?
So, here's the thing -- we've dropped OggHandler and switched to TimedMediaHandler which outputs its markup differently -- the new system is not stripped by MobileFrontend!
Videos used in the wikis today actually output a <video> element pointing by default to a WebM source. These *actually work* in Chrome and Firefox on Android... but iOS and other non-Android systems will generally not have WebM support and will show a "broken video" placeholder.
We're still kinda talking internally about license issues for H.264 support... whee
-- brion
Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l