Then people would avoid starting a talk page when the number is 0. This is, in my view, a bad thing.
This is a valid assumption and one we could test. A zero might even prompt new discussions. We'll never know unless we explore it. I'm just curious if there are any plans to test this and other similar hypotheses.
This number would have to be generated by MediaWiki or Flow, but surely not by MobileFrontEnd. As I said, MobileFrontEnd is only a skin.
Not true. MobileFrontend has a few more bits of code that make it a little more than a skin - e.g. special pages like Special:Nearby. It currently records this number via a hook and is agnostic to Flow and MediaWiki (although this code could easily be added to MediaWiki core to be standardised)
Displaying the discussion count in a design were investigating with winter as well.
Sent while mobile
On May 23, 2014, at 7:37 AM, Jon Robson jrobson@wikimedia.org wrote:
Then people would avoid starting a talk page when the number is 0. This is, in my view, a bad thing.
This is a valid assumption and one we could test. A zero might even prompt new discussions. We'll never know unless we explore it. I'm just curious if there are any plans to test this and other similar hypotheses.
This number would have to be generated by MediaWiki or Flow, but surely not by MobileFrontEnd. As I said, MobileFrontEnd is only a skin.
Not true. MobileFrontend has a few more bits of code that make it a little more than a skin - e.g. special pages like Special:Nearby. It currently records this number via a hook and is agnostic to Flow and MediaWiki (although this code could easily be added to MediaWiki core to be standardised)
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I have a storng conviction that if a feature had been bitrotting in alpha for a year without anyone even remebering about it yet alone caring about promoting it - it should be put to death. It resurfaced for me yesterday when I discovered that it's taking about a half of page_props table on enwiki which is an atrocitous amount of rows. I vote for promoting or removing it, keeping it in alpha is counter-productive. Considering that we have the Flow team to work on alk pages, I think that making this hack in MobileFrontend makes no sense so it shoud be removed.
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Jared Zimmerman jzimmerman@wikimedia.orgwrote:
Displaying the discussion count in a design were investigating with winter as well.
Sent while mobile
On May 23, 2014, at 7:37 AM, Jon Robson jrobson@wikimedia.org wrote:
Then people would avoid starting a talk page when the number is 0. This
is, in my view, a bad thing. This is a valid assumption and one we could test. A zero might even prompt new discussions. We'll never know unless we explore it. I'm just curious if there are any plans to test this and other similar hypotheses.
This number would have to be generated by MediaWiki or Flow, but surely
not by MobileFrontEnd. As I said, MobileFrontEnd is only a skin.
Not true. MobileFrontend has a few more bits of code that make it a little more than a skin - e.g. special pages like Special:Nearby. It currently records this number via a hook and is agnostic to Flow and MediaWiki (although this code could easily be added to MediaWiki core to be standardised)
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getting a conversation count via flow's API will be much easier, but a conversion of all talk pages to flow is still some time off, it would be good to have a working way to do this on non-flow enabled talk pages as well.
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On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Max Semenik maxsem.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
I have a storng conviction that if a feature had been bitrotting in alpha for a year without anyone even remebering about it yet alone caring about promoting it - it should be put to death. It resurfaced for me yesterday when I discovered that it's taking about a half of page_props table on enwiki which is an atrocitous amount of rows. I vote for promoting or removing it, keeping it in alpha is counter-productive. Considering that we have the Flow team to work on alk pages, I think that making this hack in MobileFrontend makes no sense so it shoud be removed.
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Jared Zimmerman <jzimmerman@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Displaying the discussion count in a design were investigating with winter as well.
Sent while mobile
On May 23, 2014, at 7:37 AM, Jon Robson jrobson@wikimedia.org wrote:
Then people would avoid starting a talk page when the number is 0. This
is, in my view, a bad thing. This is a valid assumption and one we could test. A zero might even prompt new discussions. We'll never know unless we explore it. I'm just curious if there are any plans to test this and other similar hypotheses.
This number would have to be generated by MediaWiki or Flow, but surely
not by MobileFrontEnd. As I said, MobileFrontEnd is only a skin.
Not true. MobileFrontend has a few more bits of code that make it a little more than a skin - e.g. special pages like Special:Nearby. It currently records this number via a hook and is agnostic to Flow and MediaWiki (although this code could easily be added to MediaWiki core to be standardised)
Design mailing list Design@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design
Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
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