I'll be eager to see you guys write up your findings after the spikes are over.

thanks for moving that forward.

--tomasz

On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 3:05 AM, Gautam Chandna <gautamc@opera.com> wrote:
> OEMs care about the size of their OS, as this is stored in a restricted
> read-only area (unless a device is rooted). Once the device is running,
> those limitations don't apply as an app has tons of space to update itself.
>
> Quite like the network installer concept for desktop applications, OEMs
> prefer if the pre-install is a small package that in itself doesn't
> necessarily do much other than download the real app.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Yuri Astrakhan <yastrakhan@wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> Don't preload apps still get over-the-air updates, often the whole app
>> re-download?
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 12:39 AM, Carolynne Schloeder
>> <cschloeder@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, yes app size and yes optimization :-)
>>>
>>> App size does matter
>>> OEM's are sensitive to the size of the app for preload. They were
>>> satisfied with our last version that was under 3MB; we'll find out what they
>>> will tolerate. And we will likely push appstore promotion as part of our
>>> deep dive.[1]
>>>
>>> Couple of thoughts on optimization:
>>> Yuri already worked to compress images on mobile web, only deployed on
>>> zero partners so far. Rolling out the image compression could be an easy
>>> start to reduce the page load.
>>>
>>> In a couple of weeks, we will get into Facebook/Ericsson's network
>>> simulation lab in Menlo Park, where we can experience our UX on low end
>>> devices and slow networks.
>>>
>>> Dan and Maryana, can you help me organize who should go to the lab?
>>>
>>> Thanks --
>>>
>>> Carolynne
>>>
>>> [1] The Wikipedia Zero team is getting together with product, UX, comms
>>> and GLEE to go deep in one country, to understand the context for Wikipedia
>>> usage and how we can unlock growth in underserved market segments - beyond
>>> just making data free. More info in our QR notes.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Dan Garry <dgarry@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 1 February 2015 at 14:48, Toby Negrin <tnegrin@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dan -- can you please limit the scope to sizing the android app? I
>>>>> think that's more relevant to reaching people in the developing world.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think that depends. In a world where we're focussing on preloads, the
>>>> size of the app is pretty immaterial as the user isn't paying the cost for
>>>> downloading it. In that world, the best optimisations to make are probably
>>>> reducing network traffic and improving performance on slower devices, things
>>>> where there's lot of room for improvement in our code base. Also, our
>>>> Android app is also an order of magnitude smaller than Facebook's Android
>>>> app, so that's less of an issue for us. Facebook evidently decided to TACKLE
>>>> ALL THE THINGS with Facebook Lite.
>>>>
>>>>> Also, can you see what percent of our GS traffic uses 2.3? Google has
>>>>> it at about 10% globally but we need to understand our target market better.
>>>>> You might also want to check in with your new contact at App Annie to see if
>>>>> they have useful GS data.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely.
>>>>
>>>> Dan
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dan Garry
>>>> Associate Product Manager, Mobile Apps
>>>> Wikimedia Foundation
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Wikimedia Foundation
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