On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Brian Gerstle <bgerstle@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>> Because Commons is afraid of the massive influx of selfies that will then
>> have to be deleted, binding admin time and upsetting the uploader (who is,
>> likely, not aware of the Commons policies).
>>
>>
>>
>> As was said before in this thread, some filtering at the source
>> (smartphone) will have to be implemented to keep everyone sane (YMMV).
>
>
> I understand apps are focusing on readership at the moment, but are there
> any investigations figuring out how to scale contribution workflows and/or
> moderation?  I appreciate that this is a difficult problem, and I hope we're
> putting earnest effort into figuring out how to mitigate or solve it.
>
> I'm just troubled by some of the language used here, and elsewhere, which
> describes a "fear" of more users. I can't help but wonder how many companies
> or services would readily welcome a "massive influx of users."  How will
> Wikipedia or Commons succeed if we're afraid growth?

+1. How we change this culture is the holy grail of Wikimedia's
future. Unless we change this, our project will die imo. I was really
saddened to see mobile uploads disappear from web - we had a lot of
spam yes but we also had people posting never before available photos
of diseases [1]. Our communities reaction seems to be to push back on
influxes of new edits which makes me feel we should be spending more
time on moderation tools - but so far I don't see any hint that this
will become a focus. This is a bigger problem than web and apps but so
far we see this more than most... I think this is something we'd have
to convince Lila is a good use of our time...

[1] http://wikimedia-l.wikimedia.narkive.com/AihmOoNe/mobile-image-upload

>
> Also, aren't we dealing with this to a certain extent with
> Wikidata/Wikigrok?
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> There seems to be two things in conflict when dealing with anything upload
>> related.
>> 1) uploading from a mobile phone is easy - that's a good thing
>> 2) uploading useful content to commons is difficult for most people
>>
>> Remember we made it super easy on web and we even limited who could see it
>> but people still uploaded selfies and copyvios. IMO the copyvios were an
>> attempt to be helpful.
>>
>> So I ask you what's more important - 1 or 2? The only really the commons
>> app was a roaring success was the lack of its brand value as Amir says most
>> "muggles" don't know what it is so this serves as a filter for people that
>> use the app. Folding this functionality into a Wikipedia app would make you
>> hit problem 2 and all the moderation problems associated with it.
>>
>> On 15 Apr 2015 4:54 am, "Amir E. Aharoni" <amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > An Android Commons mobile app is probably the mandatory catalisator for
>>> > hundreds of millions of people to participate to Commons. If you have only
>>> > 300 unique users a month with an official Commons app, IMO the only thing it
>>> > tells you is: the app is not good enough!
>>>
>>> Muggles (no offense, honestly) don't know what "Commons" is.
>>>
>>> Either we need to educate the world that Commons is an awesome repository
>>> of media that can compete with Flickr and Instagram, or we need to bundle it
>>> with the Wikipedia app, which a lot of people do have.
>>>
>>> Facebook unbundled the Messenger app from the Facebook app, and millions
>>> hate it, but the same millions use it because they are hooked too strongly,
>>> and Facebook has a super-strong interest in hooking people to the Messenger
>>> (the most popular explanation is that they want to transition it to a
>>> payment processing app).
>>>
>>> We are not in the business of hooking people, but in the business of
>>> sharing knowledge. I'd actually love the first thing to happen - to
>>> popularize the Commons as a truly free competitor to Flickr, etc. But at
>>> this point in time this appears to be a much higher-hanging fruit than
>>> adding easy image sharing functionality to the Wikipedia app.
>>>
>>> > But, these numbers are not a surprise to me. I have tested Commons *in
>>> > real conditions* a year ago in Africa and the result was: almost impossible
>>> > to upload picture to Commons (but no problem to upload the same pictures to
>>> > Tumblr).
>>>
>>> I'm not sure that I understood: Is it because of server problems that we
>>> can fix, or because there is no app?
>>>
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