Perhaps some serious thought should go into guiding the user in what an
appropriate upload is rather than just make it super easy to upload the
very first time? Didn't mobile web have around ~80% {{speedy}} and ~10%
rightfully successful deletion requests?
If I understand correctly Wikigrok will not be "direct editing" on
Wikidata, but rather collecting data to see if it gets a good enough
validity that there is a coherence on the data before a bot does the edit.
How about trying something similar for images? Mobile upload to a staging
area, where other app users can tag it as useful/spam/out-of-scope and
perhaps even add categories to it before the actual upload to Commons
happen?
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2015-04-15 20:16 GMT+02:00 Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com>om>:
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Brian Gerstle
<bgerstle(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
> Because Commons is afraid of the massive
influx of selfies that will
then
> have to be deleted, binding admin time and
upsetting the uploader (who
is,
likely,
not aware of the Commons policies).
As was said before in this thread, some filtering at the source
(smartphone) will have to be implemented to keep everyone sane (YMMV).
I understand apps are focusing on readership at the moment, but are there
any investigations figuring out how to scale contribution workflows
and/or
moderation? I appreciate that this is a
difficult problem, and I hope
we're
putting earnest effort into figuring out how to
mitigate or solve it.
I'm just troubled by some of the language used here, and elsewhere, which
describes a "fear" of more users. I can't help but wonder how many
companies
or services would readily welcome a "massive
influx of users." How will
Wikipedia or Commons succeed if we're afraid growth?
+1. How we change this culture is the holy grail of Wikimedia's
future. Unless we change this, our project will die imo. I was really
saddened to see mobile uploads disappear from web - we had a lot of
spam yes but we also had people posting never before available photos
of diseases [1]. Our communities reaction seems to be to push back on
influxes of new edits which makes me feel we should be spending more
time on moderation tools - but so far I don't see any hint that this
will become a focus. This is a bigger problem than web and apps but so
far we see this more than most... I think this is something we'd have
to convince Lila is a good use of our time...
[1]
http://wikimedia-l.wikimedia.narkive.com/AihmOoNe/mobile-image-upload
Also, aren't we dealing with this to a certain extent with
Wikidata/Wikigrok?
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> There seems to be two things in conflict when dealing with anything
upload
> related.
> 1) uploading from a mobile phone is easy - that's a good thing
> 2) uploading useful content to commons is difficult for most people
>
> Remember we made it super easy on web and we even limited who could see
it
> but people still uploaded selfies and
copyvios. IMO the copyvios were an
> attempt to be helpful.
>
> So I ask you what's more important - 1 or 2? The only really the commons
> app was a roaring success was the lack of its brand value as Amir says
most
> "muggles" don't know what it is
so this serves as a filter for people
that
> use the app. Folding this functionality into
a Wikipedia app would make
you
hit
problem 2 and all the moderation problems associated with it.
On 15 Apr 2015 4:54 am, "Amir E. Aharoni" <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il
> wrote:
>>
>> > An Android Commons mobile app is probably the mandatory catalisator
for
>> > hundreds of millions of people to
participate to Commons. If you
have only
>> > 300 unique users a month with an
official Commons app, IMO the only
thing it
>> > tells you is: the app is not good
enough!
>>
>> Muggles (no offense, honestly) don't know what "Commons" is.
>>
>> Either we need to educate the world that Commons is an awesome
repository
>> of media that can compete with Flickr and
Instagram, or we need to
bundle it
>> with the Wikipedia app, which a lot of
people do have.
>>
>> Facebook unbundled the Messenger app from the Facebook app, and
millions
>> hate it, but the same millions use it
because they are hooked too
strongly,
>> and Facebook has a super-strong interest
in hooking people to the
Messenger
>> (the most popular explanation is that
they want to transition it to a
>> payment processing app).
>>
>> We are not in the business of hooking people, but in the business of
>> sharing knowledge. I'd actually love the first thing to happen - to
>> popularize the Commons as a truly free competitor to Flickr, etc. But
at
>> this point in time this appears to be a
much higher-hanging fruit than
>> adding easy image sharing functionality to the Wikipedia app.
>>
>> > But, these numbers are not a surprise to me. I have tested Commons
*in
>> > real conditions* a year ago in
Africa and the result was: almost
impossible
>> > to upload picture to Commons (but no
problem to upload the same
pictures to
>> > Tumblr).
>>
>> I'm not sure that I understood: Is it because of server problems that
we
can fix, or because there is no app?
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