On 15 Apr 2015 11:34 am, "Jan Ainali" <jan.ainali@wikimedia.se> wrote:
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> Perhaps some serious thought should go into guiding the user in what an appropriate upload is rather than just make it super easy to upload the very first time?
We tried. This is a very very hard problem. Explaining copyright law is difficult and no matter how many barriers we put in place the instant gratification of having contributed something valuable overruled that.

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> 2015-04-15 20:16 GMT+02:00 Jon Robson <jdlrobson@gmail.com>:
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>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Brian Gerstle <bgerstle@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>> >> Because Commons is afraid of the massive influx of selfies that will then
>> >> have to be deleted, binding admin time and upsetting the uploader (who is,
>> >> likely, not aware of the Commons policies).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> As was said before in this thread, some filtering at the source
>> >> (smartphone) will have to be implemented to keep everyone sane (YMMV).
>> >
>> >
>> > I understand apps are focusing on readership at the moment, but are there
>> > any investigations figuring out how to scale contribution workflows and/or
>> > moderation?  I appreciate that this is a difficult problem, and I hope we're
>> > putting earnest effort into figuring out how to mitigate or solve it.
>> >
>> > I'm just troubled by some of the language used here, and elsewhere, which
>> > describes a "fear" of more users. I can't help but wonder how many companies
>> > or services would readily welcome a "massive influx of users."  How will
>> > Wikipedia or Commons succeed if we're afraid growth?
>>
>> +1. How we change this culture is the holy grail of Wikimedia's
>> future. Unless we change this, our project will die imo. I was really
>> saddened to see mobile uploads disappear from web - we had a lot of
>> spam yes but we also had people posting never before available photos
>> of diseases [1]. Our communities reaction seems to be to push back on
>> influxes of new edits which makes me feel we should be spending more
>> time on moderation tools - but so far I don't see any hint that this
>> will become a focus. This is a bigger problem than web and apps but so
>> far we see this more than most... I think this is something we'd have
>> to convince Lila is a good use of our time...
>>
>> [1] http://wikimedia-l.wikimedia.narkive.com/AihmOoNe/mobile-image-upload
>>
>> >
>> > Also, aren't we dealing with this to a certain extent with
>> > Wikidata/Wikigrok?
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> There seems to be two things in conflict when dealing with anything upload
>> >> related.
>> >> 1) uploading from a mobile phone is easy - that's a good thing
>> >> 2) uploading useful content to commons is difficult for most people
>> >>
>> >> Remember we made it super easy on web and we even limited who could see it
>> >> but people still uploaded selfies and copyvios. IMO the copyvios were an
>> >> attempt to be helpful.
>> >>
>> >> So I ask you what's more important - 1 or 2? The only really the commons
>> >> app was a roaring success was the lack of its brand value as Amir says most
>> >> "muggles" don't know what it is so this serves as a filter for people that
>> >> use the app. Folding this functionality into a Wikipedia app would make you
>> >> hit problem 2 and all the moderation problems associated with it.
>> >>
>> >> On 15 Apr 2015 4:54 am, "Amir E. Aharoni" <amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > An Android Commons mobile app is probably the mandatory catalisator for
>> >>> > hundreds of millions of people to participate to Commons. If you have only
>> >>> > 300 unique users a month with an official Commons app, IMO the only thing it
>> >>> > tells you is: the app is not good enough!
>> >>>
>> >>> Muggles (no offense, honestly) don't know what "Commons" is.
>> >>>
>> >>> Either we need to educate the world that Commons is an awesome repository
>> >>> of media that can compete with Flickr and Instagram, or we need to bundle it
>> >>> with the Wikipedia app, which a lot of people do have.
>> >>>
>> >>> Facebook unbundled the Messenger app from the Facebook app, and millions
>> >>> hate it, but the same millions use it because they are hooked too strongly,
>> >>> and Facebook has a super-strong interest in hooking people to the Messenger
>> >>> (the most popular explanation is that they want to transition it to a
>> >>> payment processing app).
>> >>>
>> >>> We are not in the business of hooking people, but in the business of
>> >>> sharing knowledge. I'd actually love the first thing to happen - to
>> >>> popularize the Commons as a truly free competitor to Flickr, etc. But at
>> >>> this point in time this appears to be a much higher-hanging fruit than
>> >>> adding easy image sharing functionality to the Wikipedia app.
>> >>>
>> >>> > But, these numbers are not a surprise to me. I have tested Commons *in
>> >>> > real conditions* a year ago in Africa and the result was: almost impossible
>> >>> > to upload picture to Commons (but no problem to upload the same pictures to
>> >>> > Tumblr).
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm not sure that I understood: Is it because of server problems that we
>> >>> can fix, or because there is no app?
>> >>>
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