Thanks to all for the excellent comments.

Rupert, please take a look at the email with Axel on this list.

Jan, the UI will be tweaked per platform. And it is interesting to hear the reactions to the 3-dot icon.

The main meaning of the icon is: "Actions on this article"

We have tried many approaches with the W and it is a difficult problem. We will test this button approach to make sure it works for most people. We have been studying Facebook and others but how do you reconcile the three lines with the W?

Phil


On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Jon Robson <jrobson@wikimedia.org> wrote:
On the subject of hiding the search bar. This could be easily achieved
via javascript. We could imagine scrolling down to the content on
loading (we do this already to hide the address bar on certain mobile
devices). That way the user sees the search temporarily and can scroll
up to it but the content is what they are first presented with.

In terms of the more button I like the idea of a puzzle piece more
than the 3 dots although I'd worry it might mean
configuration/settings to some people. It would be good as Brandon
says to do a hallway test and show several icons and see what comes to
people's mind when they see them. A bag might also work - the idea
being that you see a bag and expect things to be inside it. Or maybe
something as simple as a down arrow (either on its own or to the right
of the 3 dots) to reinforce it as a button rather than a separator. We
already use the down arrow to suggest expanding sections so this would
work here to expand settings.

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 7:54 AM, rupert THURNER
<rupert.thurner@gmail.com> wrote:
> I can see a great benefit in showing it to new users of the app so its easy
> for them to grasp what can be done. But later, in daily use, I cannot see so
> much benefit, as most of the time is spent reading the contents. When
> searching, one has to type at least a word and the difference to
> additionally touch 2 times to bring up the search bar is negligible. So
> another option might be to let it hide via an app setting, what you think?
>
> Am 11.04.2012 22:39 schrieb "Philip Chang" <pchang@wikimedia.org>:
>
>> Hi Rupert,
>>
>> We are considering ways to hide the top bar and calling it up easily, but
>> the thought is to show it initially.
>>
>> For example, the Pinterest app hides toolbars when scrolling down a page,
>> and reveals them when scrolling up starts.
>>
>> Another idea, based on the Kindle, is to show the toolbar initially and
>> let it fade away, then a tap anywhere reveals it.
>>
>> Yet another idea is to keep the toolbar at the top of the screen, then
>> after scrolling down a page, a tap on top status bar of the phone scrolls
>> quickly to the top of the page.
>>
>> In fact, I just added these ideas to the project page:
>>
>>
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mobile_design/Wikipedia_navigation#Toolbar_hide.2Freveal
>>
>> Any suggestions welcome.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:15 PM, rupert THURNER <rupert.thurner@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> awesome! but the default is that there is nothing but the article,
>>> isn't it? no top bar, bottom bar, side bar, whatever taking screen
>>> estate away from this already small screen? because in the screenshots
>>> i did not directly see how to initially pop up the bar.
>>>
>>> rupert.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 20:07, Philip Chang <pchang@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>> > Folks,
>>> >
>>> > Lindsey just posted the first draft of the new mobile navigation UI:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mobile_design/Wikipedia_navigation#Initial_menu
>>> >
>>> > Please look at Design Comps in particular. The wireframes are also
>>> > useful.
>>> > For example, the initial view is with the search bar open.
>>> >
>>> > These are very much drafts and not intended as final renderings, but
>>> > there
>>> > is enough detail to generate specific discussion.
>>> >
>>> > Looking forward to your comments.
>>> >
>>> > Phil
>>> >
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