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Robert

16 Jul 2005 16 Jul '05

12:29 p.m.

Hello, is it possible, to prevent that someone - except the user - can edit a userpage. Regards Robert

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Brion Vibber

17 Jul 17 Jul

10:14 a.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] access restrictions for the userpage

Robert wrote:

Hello, is it possible, to prevent that someone - except the user - can edit a userpage.

This would create a channel for link spamming, vandalism, and harrasment which can't be cleaned up (except, presumably, by a privileged sysop account). Generally I'd say that's unwise. The whole point of a wiki in contrast to other types of environments is the shared community responsibility of the users, which requires that everybody be _able_ to pitch in. You could however probably achieve this by hacking up Title::userCanEdit(). -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

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Jamie Bliss

12:36 p.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] access restrictions for the userpage

On 7/17/05, Brion Vibber <brion(a)pobox.com> wrote:

Robert wrote:

Hello, is it possible, to prevent that someone - except the user - can edit a userpage.

This would create a channel for link spamming, vandalism, and harrasment which can't be cleaned up (except, presumably, by a privileged sysop account). Generally I'd say that's unwise. The whole point of a wiki in contrast to other types of environments is the shared community responsibility of the users, which requires that everybody be _able_ to pitch in.

I believe he means that User:Bob can only be edited by Bob (and sysops). -- Jamie ------------------------------------------------------------------- http://endeavour.zapto.org/astro73/ Thank you to JosephM for inviting me to Gmail! Have lots of invites. Gmail now has 2GB.

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Brion Vibber

12:43 p.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] access restrictions for the userpage

Jamie Bliss wrote:

On 7/17/05, Brion Vibber <brion(a)pobox.com> wrote:

Robert wrote:

Hello, is it possible, to prevent that someone - except the user - can edit a userpage.

This would create a channel for link spamming, vandalism, and harrasment which can't be cleaned up (except, presumably, by a privileged sysop account). Generally I'd say that's unwise. The whole point of a wiki in contrast to other types of environments is the shared community responsibility of the users, which requires that everybody be _able_ to pitch in.

I believe he means that User:Bob can only be edited by Bob (and sysops).

That's what I responded to, yes. -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

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Robert

3:18 p.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Re: access restrictions for the userpage

Hello, Jamie Bliss schrieb:

On 7/17/05, Brion Vibber <brion(a)pobox.com> wrote: >Robert wrote: > >>Hello, >>is it possible, to prevent that someone - except the user - can edit a >>userpage.

I believe he means that User:Bob can only be edited by Bob (and sysops). -- Jamie

Yes, that´s the way i meant. I think, it could be a difference between wiki-information-pages (open for all or registered users) and my user-page. this could/should a site where I can place only informations about myself, not edited by someone else (except sysops). But that is also question of wiki-philosophy. My question is, do you know a script which can do this? Regards Robert

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Rowan Collins

18 Jul 18 Jul

9:31 a.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Re: access restrictions for the userpage

On 17/07/05, Robert <r_lender(a)yahoo.de> wrote:

But that is also question of wiki-philosophy.

As Brion wisely spotted, it's more than philosophical, since it creates a safe-haven for users to leave content which would otherwise be quickly cleaned away: be it defamatory, illegal, or just a whole load of spammy links designed to fool Google et al.

My question is, do you know a script which can do this?

As Brion also said:

You could however probably achieve this by hacking up Title::userCanEdit()

by which he means the function "userCanEdit()" in the file "includes/Title.php"; happy hacking :) -- Rowan Collins BSc [IMSoP]

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Joshua Yeidel

25 Jul 25 Jul

2:17 p.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Re: access restrictions for the userpage

My understanding of the proposal is that sysops would still be able to edit user pages. No "safe-haven" for google-flooding or other miscreations. -- Joshua On 7/18/05 9:31 AM, "Rowan Collins" <rowan.collins(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On 17/07/05, Robert <r_lender(a)yahoo.de> wrote:

But that is also question of wiki-philosophy.

As Brion wisely spotted, it's more than philosophical, since it creates a safe-haven for users to leave content which would otherwise be quickly cleaned away: be it defamatory, illegal, or just a whole load of spammy links designed to fool Google et al.

My question is, do you know a script which can do this?

As Brion also said:

You could however probably achieve this by hacking up Title::userCanEdit()

by which he means the function "userCanEdit()" in the file "includes/Title.php"; happy hacking :)

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Brion Vibber

3:02 p.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Re: access restrictions for the userpage

Joshua Yeidel wrote:

My understanding of the proposal is that sysops would still be able to edit user pages. No "safe-haven" for google-flooding or other miscreations.

Allow me to repeat what I said earlier:

This would create a channel for link spamming, vandalism, and harrasment which can't be cleaned up (except, presumably, by a privileged sysop account). Generally I'd say that's unwise. The whole point of a wiki in contrast to other types of environments is the shared community responsibility of the users, which requires that everybody be _able_ to pitch in. You could however probably achieve this by hacking up

Title::userCanEdit().

-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

On any wiki with such an editing-restriction policy, garbage in user pages cannot be cleaned up by regular users. This harms the ability of the wiki to 'self-heal' in response to incursions. Increasing reliance on a small number of privileged accounts decreases the power and community involvement of everybody else. Sysops are a scarce resource. On many wikis there are very few such accounts, and days or weeks can quite easily pass before one checks the recent changes. On many wikis there are none (whether effectively or completely). -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

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