I self-host. It's not for everyone, but if you have basic sysadmin skills and a high-speed connection with a static IP, it's a way to pretty much have complete control. I've been burned by hosting companies in the past. (What do you mean, you changed from PHP 3 to PHP 4 without telling anyone? :-) So I just really prefer to do it myself. Plus, since the host is on my LAN, I can easily mount the server on my file system and treat it like a local file system. :::: "Primitive skills" are trivial to learn, compared to getting along with each other! It's not hard to make a stone axe -- what's hard is not using it on your neighbor! :::: :::: Jan Steinman, http://www.EcoReality.org ::::