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Bjorn Kassoe Andersen

29 Sep 2008 29 Sep '08

4:40 p.m.

I have one or more spambots that keep coming back on a specific page, you can see it in action here: http://www.whatleadership.us/wiki/Special:Recentchanges (this is a test set up - the site is not ready for visitors yet) Tried to install SpamBlacklist. Used the simple setup suggested for localsettings.php (without including array). Did not get it to work. Also tried to protect the page with no result. The SpamBlacklist extension's talk page has old discussions about it not working, no apparent solution at hand. Any hints? kassoe

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Michael Daly

29 Sep 29 Sep

5:05 p.m.

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Bjorn Kassoe Andersen wrote:

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Tried to install SpamBlacklist. Used the simple setup suggested for localsettings.php (without including array). Did not get it to work.

You could try addressing the issue directly to the abuse staff at the source ISP: http://www.db.ripe.net/whois?form_type=simple&full_query_string=&se… I put the offending IP address into the ARIN whois web page (http://www.arin.net/whois/) and then see which IP it's coming from. ARIN will tell you if the IP is allocated in a smaller block and give you a link to a further IP search web page. I see you've been putting all the offending IPs into the blocked IP list. That has limited value since the IPs of spammers change so often. You could try installing a Captcha extension. If the spammer is a bot, they tend to be stopped by that. Mike

Helmut Hullen

30 Sep 30 Sep

1:07 a.m.

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Hallo, Michael, Du (michael.daly) meintest am 29.09.08:

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I see you've been putting all the offending IPs into the blocked IP list. That has limited value since the IPs of spammers change so often.

I use the CIDR notation - that's enough for x.y.z.w/16 nets.

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You could try installing a Captcha extension. If the spammer is a bot, they tend to be stopped by that.

Captcha is evil. It blocks the good guys very well, and it blocks the bad guys poorly (is that english? please excuse my gerlish) Viele Gruesse! Helmut

Samuel Richardson

1:41 a.m.

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It's a pretty narrow view to take of Captchas. As I said before, the reCaptcha plug-in still allows anonymous edits, it only requires code entry if that captcha has an external link or the visitor is trying to create a new user on the wiki. I run a reasonably popular wiki, around 2000 visitors per day, and I've never had a single spam edit since I installed the plug-in a couple of years ago. Thanks, Samuel Richardson Freelance Web Developer www.richardson.co.nz | 0405 472 748 Have you added your business to the Melpedia yet? http://www.melpedia.com.au On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Helmut Hullen <Hullen(a)t-online.de> wrote:

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Hallo, Michael, Du (michael.daly) meintest am 29.09.08:

I see you've been putting all the offending IPs into the blocked IP list. That has limited value since the IPs of spammers change so often.

I use the CIDR notation - that's enough for x.y.z.w/16 nets.

You could try installing a Captcha extension. If the spammer is a bot, they tend to be stopped by that.

Captcha is evil. It blocks the good guys very well, and it blocks the bad guys poorly (is that english? please excuse my gerlish) Viele Gruesse! Helmut _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

Bjorn Kassoe Andersen

2:37 a.m.

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Thanks everybody for the hints and suggestions - will try the differents steps suggested ... kassoe

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-----Original Message----- From: mediawiki-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:mediawiki-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Samuel Richardson Sent: 30. september 2008 08:41 To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] SpamBlacklist does not keep spambot away It's a pretty narrow view to take of Captchas. As I said before, the reCaptcha plug-in still allows anonymous edits, it only requires code entry if that captcha has an external link or the visitor is trying to create a new user on the wiki. I run a reasonably popular wiki, around 2000 visitors per day, and I've never had a single spam edit since I installed the plug-in a couple of years ago. Thanks, Samuel Richardson Freelance Web Developer www.richardson.co.nz | 0405 472 748 Have you added your business to the Melpedia yet? http://www.melpedia.com.au On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Helmut Hullen <Hullen(a)t-online.de> wrote:

Hallo, Michael, Du (michael.daly) meintest am 29.09.08: > I see you've been putting all the offending IPs into the

blocked IP

list. That has limited value since the IPs of spammers change so often.

I use the CIDR notation - that's enough for x.y.z.w/16 nets.

You could try installing a Captcha extension. If the spammer is a bot, they tend to be stopped by that.

Captcha is evil. It blocks the good guys very well, and it

blocks the

bad guys poorly (is that english? please excuse my gerlish) Viele Gruesse! Helmut _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

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Platonides

8:23 a.m.

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Helmut Hullen wrote:

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Hallo, Michael, Du (michael.daly) meintest am 29.09.08:

I see you've been putting all the offending IPs into the blocked IP list. That has limited value since the IPs of spammers change so often.

I use the CIDR notation - that's enough for x.y.z.w/16 nets.

You could try installing a Captcha extension. If the spammer is a bot, they tend to be stopped by that.

Captcha is evil. It blocks the good guys very well, and it blocks the bad guys poorly (is that english? please excuse my gerlish) Viele Gruesse! Helmut

Interesting approach: "As captcha blocks the good guys, it's better to block the subnet" Still, it could be merged as "evensofterblocks", where the user can edit, but needs to fill a captcha which it usually doesn.t

Helmut Hullen

8:36 a.m.

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Hallo, Platonides, Du (Platonides) meintest am 30.09.08:

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>> I see you've been putting all the offending IPs into the blocked IP >> list. That has limited value since the IPs of spammers change so >> often.

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> I use the CIDR notation - that's enough for x.y.z.w/16 nets.

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Interesting approach: "As captcha blocks the good guys, it's better to block the subnet"

Blocking the subnet is not my first counter measure ... Some nets are abused by many bad guys, and the abuse department doesn't block them: then I block that net. http://arktur.de/Wiki/Spezial:Logbuch/block Viele Gruesse! Helmut

Platonides

29 Sep 29 Sep

6:25 p.m.

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Bjorn Kassoe Andersen wrote:

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How lovely, all those spambots adding and removing the spam from its partners.

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Tried to install SpamBlacklist. Used the simple setup suggested for localsettings.php (without including array). Did not get it to work.

That's because hi5.com isn't on the meta blacklist http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Spam_blacklist Try adding it to http://www.whatleadership.us/wiki/MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist

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Also tried to protect the page with no result.

The pages on those RecentChanges aren't protected. Note that on deleting, the page will no longer be protected. You need to protect against creation.

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The SpamBlacklist extension's talk page has old discussions about it not working, no apparent solution at hand. Any hints? kassoe

You can also try ConfirmEdit http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit You can configure it to trigger a captcha on link additions/all edits.

Samuel Richardson

6:45 p.m.

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You might want to look at installing the reCaptcha plug-in. I use it on all of my wikis and it works perfectly. By default it will require captchas for anonymous users that make edits containing external links and for new user signups. Samuel Richardson Freelance Web Developer www.richardson.co.nz | 0405 472 748 Have you added your business to the Melpedia yet? http://www.melpedia.com.au On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Platonides <Platonides(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Bjorn Kassoe Andersen wrote:

How lovely, all those spambots adding and removing the spam from its partners.

Tried to install SpamBlacklist. Used the simple setup suggested for localsettings.php (without including array). Did not get it to work.

That's because hi5.com isn't on the meta blacklist http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Spam_blacklist Try adding it to http://www.whatleadership.us/wiki/MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist

Also tried to protect the page with no result.

The pages on those RecentChanges aren't protected. Note that on deleting, the page will no longer be protected. You need to protect against creation.

The SpamBlacklist extension's talk page has old discussions about it not working, no apparent solution at hand. Any hints? kassoe

You can also try ConfirmEdit http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit You can configure it to trigger a captcha on link additions/all edits. _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

Henny Savenije

9:30 p.m.

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There are excellent robot.txt files out there on the net and if you google for them you might find some and if that doesn't work, make a .htacces file which will block them indefinitely. At 08:25 ¿ÀÀü 2008-09-30, you wrote:

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Bjorn Kassoe Andersen wrote:

How lovely, all those spambots adding and removing the spam from its partners.

Tried to install SpamBlacklist. Used the simple setup suggested for localsettings.php (without including array). Did not get it to work.

That's because hi5.com isn't on the meta blacklist http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Spam_blacklist Try adding it to http://www.whatleadership.us/wiki/MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist

Also tried to protect the page with no result.

The pages on those RecentChanges aren't protected. Note that on deleting, the page will no longer be protected. You need to protect against creation.

The SpamBlacklist extension's talk page has old discussions about it not working, no apparent solution at hand. Any hints? kassoe

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Tim Starling

30 Sep 30 Sep

3:09 a.m.

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Bjorn Kassoe Andersen wrote:

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I have some ideas for dealing with things like this, but I'd rather talk about it on a mailing list that isn't publically archived, so that the bot operators responsible can't trivially determine the nature of our filters by searching for themselves in Google. The AntiBot extension in particular needs some sort of private distribution system for plugins. -- Tim Starling

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Bjorn Kassoe Andersen
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