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Larry Silverman

16 May 2014 16 May '14

10:37 p.m.

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Max Semenik

17 May 17 May

5:01 a.m.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AbuseFilter On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Larry Silverman <lsilverman(a)trackabout.com

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Some of my wiki users seem to like to paste full wiki URLs into pages rather than use wiki link markup. Is there an extension that can throw a validation error and prevent the saving of a page if the submitted text contains a certain pattern, like the hostname of the wiki? Thanks. _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

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Petr Bena

10:12 a.m.

I don't think this is a best extension for this, despite it kind of, is able to do similar things. Better would be to have some hook to parser itself and have it verify the syntax (which can be extended so even abuse filter doesn't know if it's valid or not, only parser does). Then a notification could be shown to user. In fact I don't know why we don't use something like that on our wikis as well On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 4:01 AM, Max Semenik <maxsem.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AbuseFilter On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Larry Silverman <lsilverman(a)trackabout.com

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John Mark Vandenberg

18 May 18 May

7:45 a.m.

On May 17, 2014 2:13 PM, "Petr Bena" <benapetr(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Improvements to the source editor like this would have a lot of impact in reducing the amount of community time spent fixing newbie edits and increasing learnability of the wiki syntax. If this proposed extension used parsoid to validate the page, it could be be invoked from the source editor using JS, like the VE editor. It would give mediawikis a reason to install and contribute fixes to parsoid even if they are not ready to install VE (or VE isnt ready to support their wiki for whatever reason). -- John

Tom

19 May 19 May

2:37 a.m.

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On May 16, 2014, at 10:01 PM, Max Semenik <maxsem.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AbuseFilter

The more I think about it the better I like using this extension as a solution to Larry's question. AbuseFilter is pretty flexible. There are already rules created and being used for missing Category(ies) from page edits. You can deny the save or warn and allow, plus tag the edit. So all is needed is a filter to check all edits for a url with the wiki's domain name. A gentle reminder, you do not need to use this syntax with an example of what to use. Or the hard road, not allowed please use this. Tom

billinghurst

5:53 a.m.

On Sun, 18 May 2014 19:37:25 -0400, Tom <tom(a)hutch4.us> wrote:

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> On May 16, 2014, at 10:01 PM, Max Semenik <maxsem.wiki(a)gmail.com>

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https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AbuseFilter

The more I think about it the better I like using this extension as a solution to Larry's question. AbuseFilter is pretty flexible. There are already rules created and

being

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used for missing Category(ies) from page edits. You can deny the save or warn and allow, plus tag the edit. So all is needed is a filter to check all edits for a url with the

wiki's

...

domain name. A gentle reminder, you do not need to use this syntax with

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example of what to use. Or the hard road, not allowed please use this. Tom _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

An advantage of such an approach is that you can provide very specific, direct and customised information and guidance. English Wikisource has an abuse filter that checks a namespace for specific template that is required to be present, and where it is not, then guidance is given on the format, and links to specific help pages. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/1 In fact this was created as a filter before we even thought about its use in abuse settings. Sometimes it would nice to be able to cascade filters, or exclude on the basis of a previous filter, however, that is not yet possible. Regards, Billinghurst

Arcane 21

8:19 a.m.

I was wondering if there was a way to make a filter for the following: New pages must have one of a series of templates (any of the templates will do, as long as at least one is present) and a category of some sort. This would only apply to users that are not autopatrolled, bots or administrators. We'd like to have something on our wiki to deter new editors that don't follow the manual of style guidelines and so the filter would be to encourage them to do so, with the hope and intention of encouraging good editing. I'm not very skilled in the use of AbuseFilter, so if someone could show me an example filter that would fit the above (if possible), it would be appreciated.

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To: mediawiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 12:53:52 +1000 From: billinghurst(a)gmail.com Subject: Re: [MediaWiki-l] Validating wiki text before saving On Sun, 18 May 2014 19:37:25 -0400, Tom <tom(a)hutch4.us> wrote:

> On May 16, 2014, at 10:01 PM, Max Semenik <maxsem.wiki(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AbuseFilter

The more I think about it the better I like using this extension as a solution to Larry's question. AbuseFilter is pretty flexible. There are already rules created and

being

used for missing Category(ies) from page edits. You can deny the save or warn and allow, plus tag the edit. So all is needed is a filter to check all edits for a url with the

wiki's

domain name. A gentle reminder, you do not need to use this syntax with

YiFei

12:04 p.m.

Would you test on this one: (article_namespace == 0) /* Only for {{ns:0}} */ & !(user_groups rlike "(sysop|bot|autopatrolled)") /* Not admin, bot, or autopatrolled */ & (action == "edit") /* Must be an "edit" */ & (article_articleid == 0) /* of previously non-existent page */ & !(new_wikitext irlike "^#\s*redirect") /* Must NOT be a redirect */ & (!(new_wikitext irlike "[[\s*Category:.+?]]") /* Must be missing categories */ | !(new_wikitext irlike "\{\{\s*(Foo|Bar|Baz)")) /* OR none of the templates listed is found */ 2014-05-19 5:19 GMT+00:00 Arcane 21 <arcane(a)live.com>om>:

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billinghurst

12:30 p.m.

Sure. I would look to maybe give all the required templates the one id="..." as that makes the match for those easiest, otherwise you want to use contains_any contains_any is good for something like !contains_any (user_groups, "sysop", "autopatrolled", ...) At Commons, I did a simple one for main namespace that requires <gallery... just ensure that you test them for a while first, and if you have enough people watching your RC, then tags are useful. Best way that I learnt was just looking at different Special:AbuseFilter and seeing what the competent were doing, and mimicking their components. Here is a simple example of one such article_namespace == 0 & (new_wikitext regex "\[\[[Cc]ategory:\s?\d{1,4}\sworks\]\]") & action = "edit" & !contains_any (user_groups, "sysop") You will want to do something for things being new pages. Regards, Billinghurst On Mon, 19 May 2014 00:19:59 -0500, Arcane 21 <arcane(a)live.com> wrote:

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sort.

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This would only apply to users that are not autopatrolled, bots or administrators. We'd like to have something on our wiki to deter new editors that don't follow the manual of style guidelines and so the filter would be to encourage them to do so, with the hope and intention of encouraging good editing. I'm not very skilled in the use of AbuseFilter, so if someone could show me an example filter that would fit the above (if possible), it would be appreciated. > To: mediawiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 12:53:52 +1000 > From: billinghurst(a)gmail.com > Subject: Re: [MediaWiki-l] Validating wiki text before saving > > On Sun, 18 May 2014 19:37:25 -0400, Tom <tom(a)hutch4.us> wrote: > >> On May 16, 2014, at 10:01 PM, Max Semenik <maxsem.wiki(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AbuseFilter > > > > The more I think about it the better I like using this extension as a > > solution to Larry's question. > > > > AbuseFilter is pretty flexible. There are already rules created and > being > > used for missing Category(ies) from page edits. You can deny the save > > or > > warn and allow, plus tag the edit. > > > > So all is needed is a filter to check all edits for a url with the > wiki's > > domain name. A gentle reminder, you do not need to use this syntax

with

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> an > > example of what to use. Or the hard road, not allowed please use

this.

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> > > > > > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > > MediaWiki-l mailing list > > MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l > > An advantage of such an approach is that you can provide very specific, > direct and customised information and guidance. English Wikisource has

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> abuse filter that checks a namespace for specific template that is > required > to be present, and where it is not, then guidance is given on the

format,

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> and links to specific help pages. > > https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/1 > In fact this was created as a filter before we even thought about its

use

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> in abuse settings. > > Sometimes it would nice to be able to cascade filters, or exclude on

the

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basis of a previous filter, however, that is not yet possible. Regards, Billinghurst _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

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Arcane 21

4:17 p.m.

That's what I was looking for, thank you very much!

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To: mediawiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 19:30:45 +1000 From: billinghurst(a)gmail.com Subject: Re: [MediaWiki-l] Validating wiki text before saving Sure. I would look to maybe give all the required templates the one id="..." as that makes the match for those easiest, otherwise you want to use contains_any contains_any is good for something like !contains_any (user_groups, "sysop", "autopatrolled", ...) At Commons, I did a simple one for main namespace that requires <gallery... just ensure that you test them for a while first, and if you have enough people watching your RC, then tags are useful. Best way that I learnt was just looking at different Special:AbuseFilter and seeing what the competent were doing, and mimicking their components. Here is a simple example of one such article_namespace == 0 & (new_wikitext regex "\[\[[Cc]ategory:\s?\d{1,4}\sworks\]\]") & action = "edit" & !contains_any (user_groups, "sysop") You will want to do something for things being new pages. Regards, Billinghurst On Mon, 19 May 2014 00:19:59 -0500, Arcane 21 <arcane(a)live.com> wrote:

sort.

with

> an > > example of what to use. Or the hard road, not allowed please use

this.

> abuse filter that checks a namespace for specific template that is > required > to be present, and where it is not, then guidance is given on the

format,

> and links to specific help pages. > > https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/1 > In fact this was created as a filter before we even thought about its

use

> in abuse settings. > > Sometimes it would nice to be able to cascade filters, or exclude on

the

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Chris Tharp

4:56 p.m.

Per my understanding the following needs to be done: 1.New pages must have certain templates. 2 This is to force users to follow a certain style guidelines. 3. Admin must have freedom to get around these restrictions if need be. Based on that, I think, the best solution would be to use Semantic Forms. A far easier solution then the AbuseFilter. Sent from my iPad On May 18, 2014, at 10:19 PM, Arcane 21 <arcane(a)live.com> wrote:

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> On May 16, 2014, at 10:01 PM, Max Semenik <maxsem.wiki(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AbuseFilter

The more I think about it the better I like using this extension as a solution to Larry's question. AbuseFilter is pretty flexible. There are already rules created and

being

used for missing Category(ies) from page edits. You can deny the save or warn and allow, plus tag the edit. So all is needed is a filter to check all edits for a url with the

wiki's

domain name. A gentle reminder, you do not need to use this syntax with

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Arcane 21

7:01 p.m.

I know even less about Semantic Forms than I do AbuseFilter, but given that you may be right, I'll have to look into that as well before we commit to anything. Thanks for the alternative suggestion. :)

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From: tharpenator(a)gmail.com Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 06:56:05 -0700 To: mediawiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [MediaWiki-l] Validating wiki text before saving Per my understanding the following needs to be done: 1.New pages must have certain templates. 2 This is to force users to follow a certain style guidelines. 3. Admin must have freedom to get around these restrictions if need be. Based on that, I think, the best solution would be to use Semantic Forms. A far easier solution then the AbuseFilter. Sent from my iPad On May 18, 2014, at 10:19 PM, Arcane 21 <arcane(a)live.com> wrote:

> On May 16, 2014, at 10:01 PM, Max Semenik <maxsem.wiki(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AbuseFilter The more I think about it the better I like using this extension as a solution to Larry's question. AbuseFilter is pretty flexible. There are already rules created and

being

used for missing Category(ies) from page edits. You can deny the save or warn and allow, plus tag the edit. So all is needed is a filter to check all edits for a url with the

wiki's

domain name. A gentle reminder, you do not need to use this syntax with

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Larry Silverman

9:23 p.m.

AbuseFilter looks like exactly what I need. Until there's something better, AbuseFilter it is! Thanks for the suggestion. I've already installed it and created my first filter. Larry Silverman Chief Technology Officer TrackAbout, Inc. On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Arcane 21 <arcane(a)live.com> wrote:

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Forms. A far easier solution then the AbuseFilter.

Sent from my iPad On May 18, 2014, at 10:19 PM, Arcane 21 <arcane(a)live.com> wrote: > I was wondering if there was a way to make a filter for the following: > > New pages must have one of a series of templates (any of the templates

will do, as long as at least one is present) and a category of some sort.

> > This would only apply to users that are not autopatrolled, bots or

administrators.

> > We'd like to have something on our wiki to deter new editors that

don't follow the manual of style guidelines and so the filter would be to encourage them to do so, with the hope and intention of encouraging good editing.

> > I'm not very skilled in the use of AbuseFilter, so if someone could

show me an example filter that would fit the above (if possible), it would be appreciated.

> >> To: mediawiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 12:53:52 +1000 >> From: billinghurst(a)gmail.com >> Subject: Re: [MediaWiki-l] Validating wiki text before saving >> >> On Sun, 18 May 2014 19:37:25 -0400, Tom <tom(a)hutch4.us> wrote: >>>> On May 16, 2014, at 10:01 PM, Max Semenik <maxsem.wiki(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AbuseFilter >>> >>> The more I think about it the better I like using this extension as a >>> solution to Larry's question. >>> >>> AbuseFilter is pretty flexible. There are already rules created and >> being >>> used for missing Category(ies) from page edits. You can deny the

save or

>>> warn and allow, plus tag the edit. >>> >>> So all is needed is a filter to check all edits for a url with the >> wiki's >>> domain name. A gentle reminder, you do not need to use this syntax

with

>> an >>> example of what to use. Or the hard road, not allowed please use

this.

>>> >>> Tom >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MediaWiki-l mailing list >>> MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l >> >> An advantage of such an approach is that you can provide very

specific,

>> direct and customised information and guidance. English Wikisource

has an

>> abuse filter that checks a namespace for specific template that is

required

>> to be present, and where it is not, then guidance is given on the

format,

>> and links to specific help pages. >> >> https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/1 >> In fact this was created as a filter before we even thought about its

use

>> in abuse settings. >> >> Sometimes it would nice to be able to cascade filters, or exclude on

the

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Shirley Hicks

21 May 21 May

10:59 p.m.

New subject: Question regarding modifying a wiki sidebar menu

Am drilling down through the wiki documentation to figure out how to add dynamically relevant link lists to the navigation sidebar. Have identified the divs and the mark-up (thanks Chrome element inspector) but for the life of me, can't find the php script, css or html mark-up that holds the content. Can someone throw me a cluebrick and tell me where to look? Thanks in advance, Shirley Hicks Birmingham, AL shirley(a)velochicdesign.com

Tom Hutchison

11:17 p.m.

New subject: Question regarding modifying a wiki sidebar menu

Did you look at this? http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Manual%3AHooks%2FSkinBuildSidebar or you could look at the code for ideas for this extension http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension%3ADynamicSidebar Tom ---Sent from my iPhone Am drilling down through the wiki documentation to figure out how to add dynamically relevant link lists to the navigation sidebar. Have identified the divs and the mark-up (thanks Chrome element inspector) but for the life of me, can't find the php script, css or html mark-up that holds the content. Can someone throw me a cluebrick and tell me where to look? Thanks in advance, Shirley Hicks Birmingham, AL shirley(a)velochicdesign.com _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

Chris Tharp

22 May 22 May

2:43 a.m.

New subject: Question regarding modifying a wiki sidebar menu

Try going to: Mediaiwki:Sidebar Sent from my iPad On May 21, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Shirley Hicks <shirley(a)velochicdesign.com> wrote:

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Chris Tharp

2:44 a.m.

New subject: Question regarding modifying a wiki sidebar menu

Sorry misspelled: Mediawiki:Sidebar Sent from my iPad On May 21, 2014, at 4:43 PM, Chris Tharp <tharpenator(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Try going to: Mediaiwki:Sidebar Sent from my iPad On May 21, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Shirley Hicks <shirley(a)velochicdesign.com> wrote: > Am drilling down through the wiki documentation to figure out how to add dynamically relevant link lists to the navigation sidebar. > Have identified the divs and the mark-up (thanks Chrome element inspector) but for the life of me, can't find the php script, css or html > mark-up that holds the content. > > Can someone throw me a cluebrick and tell me where to look? > > Thanks in advance, > > Shirley Hicks > Birmingham, AL > shirley(a)velochicdesign.com > > > _______________________________________________ > MediaWiki-l mailing list > MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

Shirley Hicks

4:11 a.m.

New subject: Question regarding modifying a wiki sidebar menu

Yeah - have found that and dug in. Haven't quite got the divisions working in the responsive manner that I'd like to use through brute force. -- Shirley On May 21, 2014, at 6:44 PM, Chris Tharp <tharpenator(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Sorry misspelled: Mediawiki:Sidebar Sent from my iPad On May 21, 2014, at 4:43 PM, Chris Tharp <tharpenator(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Tom Hutchison

9:05 a.m.

New subject: Question regarding modifying a wiki sidebar menu

Hi Shirley Perhaps you could better explain what exactly you are trying to accomplish? You stated dynamically, which to me (and probably others) mean 'on the fly' or based on content of the page, user group, date, etc... Chris pointed you at Mediawiki:Sidebar which is how you would build the static sidebar (same on every page / even SpecialPages). Now you are using the word responsive, which to me would reference mobile/media screen adjustments to layout. Flow or layout? Sorry, just trying to understand what exactly you are looking to find. Tom Yeah - have found that and dug in. Haven't quite got the divisions working in the responsive manner that I'd like to use through brute force. -- Shirley On May 21, 2014, at 6:44 PM, Chris Tharp <tharpenator(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Sorry misspelled: Mediawiki:Sidebar Sent from my iPad On May 21, 2014, at 4:43 PM, Chris Tharp <tharpenator(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Shirley Hicks

26 May 26 May

10:15 p.m.

New subject: Question regarding modifying a wiki sidebar menu

Sorry for the confusion, and thanks in advance for any advice and assistance. I was attempting to customize our wiki's sidebar menu for the first time. I've now successfully done this (wiki.redmountainmakers.org (1.19.11), beta (1.22.6) with further tests and finetuning of extensions at wiki.backup.redmountainmakers.org via the MediaWiki:Sidebar page (took a little while to figure this out). Would now like (if possible) to add dynamic content based on user group. -- Shirley HIcks On May 22, 2014, at 1:05 AM, Tom Hutchison <tom(a)hutch4.us> wrote:

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Sorry misspelled: Mediawiki:Sidebar Sent from my iPad On May 21, 2014, at 4:43 PM, Chris Tharp <tharpenator(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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chris tharp

10:22 p.m.

New subject: Question regarding modifying a wiki sidebar menu

Try:http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicSidebar. I know nothing about this extension, or if it's still valid, but your email reminded me of its existence. (Too many hours wondering in the ends and outs of Mediawiki extensions) Chris On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Shirley Hicks <shirley(a)velochicdesign.com>wrote;wrote:

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Hi Shirley Perhaps you could better explain what exactly you are trying

to accomplish? You stated dynamically, which to me (and probably others) mean 'on the fly' or based on content of the page, user group, date, etc... Chris pointed you at Mediawiki:Sidebar which is how you would build the static sidebar (same on every page / even SpecialPages). Now you are using the word responsive, which to me would reference mobile/media screen adjustments to layout. Flow or layout? Sorry, just trying to understand what exactly you are looking to find. Tom

Yeah - have found that and dug in. Haven't quite got the divisions

working in the responsive manner that I'd like to use through brute force.

-- Shirley On May 21, 2014, at 6:44 PM, Chris Tharp <tharpenator(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Sorry misspelled: Mediawiki:Sidebar > > Sent from my iPad > > On May 21, 2014, at 4:43 PM, Chris Tharp <tharpenator(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Try going to: Mediaiwki:Sidebar >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On May 21, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Shirley Hicks <

shirley(a)velochicdesign.com> wrote:

>> >>> Am drilling down through the wiki documentation to figure out how to

add dynamically relevant link lists to the navigation sidebar.

>>> Have identified the divs and the mark-up (thanks Chrome element

inspector) but for the life of me, can't find the php script, css or html

> mark-up that holds the content. > > Can someone throw me a cluebrick and tell me where to look? > > Thanks in advance, > > Shirley Hicks > Birmingham, AL > shirley(a)velochicdesign.com > > > _______________________________________________ > MediaWiki-l mailing list > MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

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