This sort of sums up our differences. If I post something to a public forum, I expect that people will reply there. I don't expect others to change the way they do things to cater to me, unless it's something truly personal. (By the way, Sy, how's the wife and kids? :-) My, aren't you a bundle of joy! Patient: "Doctor, doctor, it hurts when I do this!" Doctor: "Well, then stop doing that!" I think you're using the wrong software for the wrong reasons. WikiPedia isn't "real-world"? I think insisting that someone else's hammer doesn't serve your need for a screwdriver is what isn't "real- world!" I think you'd be best served by a commercial product. There are commercially supported wikis available. These people are paid to listen to customers whine -- and then to cater to the needs of their market. In my experience, whining on this list that MediaWiki doesn't fit your particular needs -- especially in a deprecating manner -- is simply a quick way to get in a lot of people's spam filters. :::: The white man seeks to conquer nature, to bend it to his will and to use it wastefully until it’s all gone and then he simply moves on, leaving the waste behind him and looking for new places to take. The whole white race is a monster who is always hungry and what he eats is land. — Chiksika, elder brother of Tecumseh, March 19, 1779 :::: Jan Steinman, http://www.Bytesmiths.com