If you're using Apache, and (as you imply) want a login before even allowing read access, how about using a .htaccess file? Drawback: they'd have to login twice; once to get through the .htaccess (which could be a common id/pass for all trusted users), then a second time to log into the wiki. Yea, it's a bit of a kludge, but it's pretty much a zero effort solution. :::: If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. -- Catherine Aird :::: :::: Jan Steinman <http://www.EcoReality.org> ::::