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Yusuf Mohsinally

25 Aug 2006 25 Aug '06

11:44 p.m.

Hi, I have a site that will have information about programming languages. My questions concern the organization of that information, and I wanted to know if the way I am planning on doing it is correct, or if theres a better way. - I have a namespace for each programming language. I think this is necessary, because: ---- It allows users to search within articles for only particular languages. ---- It allows articles of the same name to live under each language (e.g. LangJava:Arrays, LangC:Arrays, etc.) - As far as I have found out. Categories are common for the whole site. So, the cateogory Arrays, can be a subcategory of other cateogies (e.g. LangJava, LangC) but it will just be one category. For example, the categories Category:LangJava:Arrays and Category:LangC:Arrays both point to the same category (Arrays), not to two different sub categories. So heres my question. Do categories that are similar between all programming languages, (e.g. Arrays) have to be labeled differently (e.g. JavaArrays, CArrays) for them to be disctint, or am I missing something... Because, if a user wants to check Arrays articles for Java, they should be able to look through a category for only Java Arrays. - Another question is, it seems that namespaces and categories are not really mutually exclusive, so, I need namespaces like (LangJava, LangC) AND articles found within these namespaces must belong to categories like (Category:LangJava, Category:LangC) as well? Do the above methods seem reasonable or have I totally missed the correct way of organizing information? Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Get real-time traffic reports with Windows Live Local Search http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=42.336065~-109.392273&sty…

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Morten Blaabjerg

26 Aug 26 Aug

12:14 a.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Should I be doing this??

Yusuf, it sounds to me like you're trying to squeeze a hierarchical system into MW. A scheme like the one you describe may work, but it is with the risk of restraining yourself and your users too much, and not really taking advantage of the freedom a wiki can give you. There basically is no "correct" way of organizing information in a wiki - it is up to you and your users to organize the content, as you see fit. If you want a more hierarchical organization of content, you may be better off with another CMS or wiki engine which is better set up for this kind of thing. If you want your site to be a wiki, I'd suggest you simpy throw everything together in the main namespace, and use categories like Java, C, C+ etc to tie related pages together. This will be the least restrained option, leaving you and your users with the greatest freedom to organize things as you go. You may use custom namespaces as you suggest, but namespaces are not an ideal way of organizing content, they are primarily meant to differentiate between different types of content and functionality, i.e. between content and userpages, discussionpages, system pages etc. Best wishes, Morten :-) -- Crews Cut Production Morten Blaabjerg Danmarksgade 97 - DK-5000 Odense C Tlf. 65 90 60 88 / 51 80 91 55 http://morten.crewscut.com morten(a)crewscut.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yusuf Mohsinally" <yusufm(a)hotmail.com> To: <mediawiki-l(a)Wikimedia.org> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 11:44 PM Subject: [Mediawiki-l] Should I be doing this??

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Yusuf Mohsinally

27 Aug 27 Aug

10:08 p.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Should I be doing this??

Thanks. I think I will go with articles being in the main namespace. I had a question about categories based on this decision though... I will create top level categories like Java, C, Perl, etc. Now thinking about a category like Arrays, which is a general concept to all language, but also contains specific info for each. As I read from documentation, you can create a category called Array, and you can make one or more categories as it parent. But you can't make unique sub cateogories each called Array, that fit under a single parent category... So you can't really create somethign like the following, where if you click on each "Array" category you only get articles for each specific programming language: Java ---Arrays <- not only Java Arrays information (common category, contains all Arrays articles) Perl ---Arrays <- not only Perl Arrays information (common category, contains All Arrays articles) I think the only way to be able to select a category and get specific programming language Array information is to create unique Arrays categories like: Java ----- Java_Arrays <- now this could contain only java arrays articles. and also have a general Arrays category which is tagged to all Arrays articles as well? Is it good practice to be creating prog lang specific categories (Java_Arrays) and also a general Arrays category? Thanks.

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From: "Morten Blaabjerg" <morten(a)crewscut.com> Reply-To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list <mediawiki-l(a)Wikimedia.org> To: "MediaWiki announcements and site admin list" <mediawiki-l(a)Wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Should I be doing this?? Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 00:14:45 +0200 Yusuf, it sounds to me like you're trying to squeeze a hierarchical system into MW. A scheme like the one you describe may work, but it is with the risk of restraining yourself and your users too much, and not really taking advantage of the freedom a wiki can give you. There basically is no "correct" way of organizing information in a wiki - it is up to you and your users to organize the content, as you see fit. If you want a more hierarchical organization of content, you may be better off with another CMS or wiki engine which is better set up for this kind of thing. If you want your site to be a wiki, I'd suggest you simpy throw everything together in the main namespace, and use categories like Java, C, C+ etc to tie related pages together. This will be the least restrained option, leaving you and your users with the greatest freedom to organize things as you go. You may use custom namespaces as you suggest, but namespaces are not an ideal way of organizing content, they are primarily meant to differentiate between different types of content and functionality, i.e. between content and userpages, discussionpages, system pages etc. Best wishes, Morten :-) -- Crews Cut Production Morten Blaabjerg Danmarksgade 97 - DK-5000 Odense C Tlf. 65 90 60 88 / 51 80 91 55 http://morten.crewscut.com morten(a)crewscut.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yusuf Mohsinally" <yusufm(a)hotmail.com> To: <mediawiki-l(a)Wikimedia.org> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 11:44 PM Subject: [Mediawiki-l] Should I be doing this??

(e.g.

LangJava:Arrays, LangC:Arrays, etc.) - As far as I have found out. Categories are common for the whole site. So, the cateogory Arrays, can be a subcategory of other cateogies (e.g. LangJava, LangC) but it will just be one category. For example, the categories Category:LangJava:Arrays and Category:LangC:Arrays both point to the same category (Arrays), not to two different sub categories. So heres my question. Do categories that are similar between all programming languages, (e.g. Arrays) have to be labeled differently (e.g.

JavaArrays,

CArrays) for them to be disctint, or am I missing something... Because,

a user wants to check Arrays articles for Java, they should be able to

look

through a category for only Java Arrays. - Another question is, it seems that namespaces and categories are not really mutually exclusive, so, I need namespaces like (LangJava, LangC) AND articles found within these namespaces must belong to categories like (Category:LangJava, Category:LangC) as well? Do the above methods seem reasonable or have I totally missed the

correct

way of organizing information? Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Get real-time traffic reports with Windows Live Local Search

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Jono Bradley

10:11 p.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Should I be doing this??

Just so everyone knows, the only reason I ask for help by hitting the reply button is because emails I send don't usually get through :S I would like you all to know that my Wiki is up :) Although it seems to have endless errors in it... www.startrekprotection.com/wiki When I try to make a thumbnail of any image it comes back with an error saying i cant do it. Any ideas on this one guys? Also some images wont upload... and I cant figure out how to change the logo in top left no matter how many times ive read the instructions.. Jono

wiki＠avenarius.sk

10:54 p.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Should I be doing this??

On Sunday, 27th August 2006 at 21:11:21 (GMT +0100), Jono Bradley wrote:

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[...] and I cant figure out how to change the logo in top left no matter how many times ive read the instructions.

You'll just have to get used to the necessity of waiting a few weeks, months, or years before your issue is resolved. Although I managed to change the logo of our wiki by following the instructions, there seems to be no way to change the webpage to which that logo is pointing in the Classic skin. Clicking the logo always leads the visitor to the MainPage, although we'd like to specify our domain homepage instead of the wiki MainPage. There apparently is no easy way out of this if you use the Clasic skin. Not even if you follow the advice in the famous article, "How To Ask Questions The Smart Way" ;-): http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html -- Yours, Alex. [processed by "The Bat!", Version 3.80.06] (MediaWiki: 1.6.8 / PHP: 4.4.1 (cgi) / MySQL: 4.1.19-standard) http://vincentdepaul.sk/skola

Jono Bradley

11:39 p.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Should I be doing this??

So there isn't a way for me to change the logo? Jono ----- Original Message ----- From: <wiki(a)avenarius.sk> To: <mediawiki-l(a)Wikimedia.org> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Should I be doing this??

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On Sunday, 27th August 2006 at 21:11:21 (GMT +0100), Jono Bradley wrote:

[...] and I cant figure out how to change the logo in top left no matter how many times ive read the instructions.

Rob Church

11:42 p.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Should I be doing this??

On 27/08/06, Jono Bradley <jono.bradley(a)ntlworld.com> wrote:

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So there isn't a way for me to change the logo?

If someone said that, stab them and ignore all further messages. :) See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:FAQ#How_do_I_change_the_logo.3F for the specifics involved. Rob Church

Jono Bradley

11:46 p.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Should I be doing this??

I appreciate the help. But you might want to know that I cant actually find anywhere on that, which tells me how to change the logo. I know I have to change it in LocalSettings.php but I cant figure out where I have to point the link too. Jono ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Church" <robchur(a)gmail.com> To: "MediaWiki announcements and site admin list" <mediawiki-l(a)wikimedia.org> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Should I be doing this??

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On 27/08/06, Jono Bradley <jono.bradley(a)ntlworld.com> wrote:

So there isn't a way for me to change the logo?

If someone said that, stab them and ignore all further messages. :) See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:FAQ#How_do_I_change_the_logo.3F for the specifics involved. Rob Church _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

Jono Bradley

28 Aug 28 Aug

12:12 a.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Thumbnails

Is there something I have to do, to enable MediaWiki to use thumbnails? Jono

Rob Church

12:18 a.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Thumbnails

On 27/08/06, Jono Bradley <jono.bradley(a)ntlworld.com> wrote:

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Is there something I have to do, to enable MediaWiki to use thumbnails?

MediaWiki can use GD (http://ie.php.net/manual/en/ref.image.php) functions to scale thumbnails if available. These are quite crap, however, and if ImageMagick (http://www.imagemagick.org/script/index.php) is available on the server, it will be used instead. Both of these are detected during installation and the appropriate options pre-set in LocalSettings.php where applicable. Check that $wgUseImageResize is set to true. Don't forget to *tell* MediaWiki to render an image as a thumbnail. Something like [[Image:Narcissistic photo of me.jpg|thumb]] would do it. Rob Church

Jono Bradley

12:51 a.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Thumbnails

Ok thanks, Ill have a look. When I put in - [[Image:Narcissistic photo of me.jpg|thumb]] And save it / preview it - it comes up with error messages saying that it cant do it.. I will try your other suggestions ;) Jono ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Church" <robchur(a)gmail.com> To: "MediaWiki announcements and site admin list" <mediawiki-l(a)wikimedia.org> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Thumbnails

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On 27/08/06, Jono Bradley <jono.bradley(a)ntlworld.com> wrote:

Is there something I have to do, to enable MediaWiki to use thumbnails?

Jono Bradley

12:58 a.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Thumbnails

Well that line you said to check was true is - ## To enable image uploads, make sure the 'images' directory ## is writable, then set this to true: $wgEnableUploads = true; $wgUseImageResize = true; # $wgUseImageMagick = true; # $wgImageMagickConvertCommand = "/usr/bin/convert"; ## If you want to use image uploads under safe mode, ## create the directories images/archive, images/thumb and ## images/temp, and make them all writable. Then uncomment ## this, if it's not already uncommented: $wgHashedUploadDirectory = false; Any other suggestions? Jono

Sullivan, James (NIH/CIT) [C]

2 p.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Thumbnails

If you're on a Linux box check to see if Selinux is enforcing: #getenforce If it returns "Enforcing", try turning it off: #setenforce 0 and see if the problem goes away. SElinux prevents ImageMagick from modifying files such as thumbnail creation. If this fixes the problem, I'd suggest turning SElinux back on (#setenforce 1) and then read up on SElinux to make sure turning it off is ok in your environment. -Jim -----Original Message----- From: Jono Bradley [mailto:jono.bradley@ntlworld.com] Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 5:58 PM To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Thumbnails Well that line you said to check was true is - ## To enable image uploads, make sure the 'images' directory ## is writable, then set this to true: $wgEnableUploads = true; $wgUseImageResize = true; # $wgUseImageMagick = true; # $wgImageMagickConvertCommand = "/usr/bin/convert"; ## If you want to use image uploads under safe mode, ## create the directories images/archive, images/thumb and ## images/temp, and make them all writable. Then uncomment ## this, if it's not already uncommented: $wgHashedUploadDirectory = false; Any other suggestions? Jono _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

Jono Bradley

3:13 p.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Thumbnails

And how do I do this? Jono ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sullivan, James (NIH/CIT) [C]" <sullivan(a)mail.nih.gov> To: "MediaWiki announcements and site admin list" <mediawiki-l(a)Wikimedia.org> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Thumbnails

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Sullivan, James (NIH/CIT) [C]

3:39 p.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Thumbnails

As root execute: #getenforce It should return either "Enforcing" or "Permissive" which indicates SElinux is on or off respectively. If its on (Enforcing) execute as root: #setenforce 0 and test whether your thumbnails problem goes away. If it does, then its due to SElinux, a security system that you can read more about here: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/selinux-guid e/selg-preface-0011.html#RHLCOMMON-SECTION-0072 It's a security system and thus you should only turn it off at your own peril. Read up on it and determine whether you can safely turn it off if needed. -Jim -----Original Message----- From: Jono Bradley [mailto:jono.bradley@ntlworld.com] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 8:13 AM To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Thumbnails And how do I do this? Jono ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sullivan, James (NIH/CIT) [C]" <sullivan(a)mail.nih.gov> To: "MediaWiki announcements and site admin list" <mediawiki-l(a)Wikimedia.org> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Thumbnails

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problem,

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I'd suggest turning SElinux back on (#setenforce 1) and then read up

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SElinux to make sure turning it off is ok in your environment. -Jim -----Original Message----- From: Jono Bradley [mailto:jono.bradley@ntlworld.com] Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 5:58 PM To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Thumbnails Well that line you said to check was true is - ## To enable image uploads, make sure the 'images' directory ## is writable, then set this to true: $wgEnableUploads = true; $wgUseImageResize = true; # $wgUseImageMagick = true; # $wgImageMagickConvertCommand = "/usr/bin/convert"; ## If you want to use image uploads under safe mode, ## create the directories images/archive, images/thumb and ## images/temp, and make them all writable. Then uncomment ## this, if it's not already uncommented: $wgHashedUploadDirectory = false; Any other suggestions? Jono _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

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Jono Bradley

5:38 p.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Thumbnails

Yeah but where do i type that? Jono ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sullivan, James (NIH/CIT) [C]" <sullivan(a)mail.nih.gov> To: "MediaWiki announcements and site admin list" <mediawiki-l(a)Wikimedia.org> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Thumbnails

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problem,

I'd suggest turning SElinux back on (#setenforce 1) and then read up

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David Pace

6:42 p.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Thumbnails

Jono, Seriously. I want you to listen to me for just a minute here. It is considered proper form to do as much of your own research into a problem as possible before posting on a mailing list. It should only be when you have exhausted existing documentation, google searches, looking through the source code and other avenues that you should post on the list. Never mind that it seems some of your issues are completely oustide the scope of the mailing list. Everybody wants to help, but not everybody appreciates having to handhold someone who is presumably capable of reading and performing basic web searches. Like I said to you previously, I think you need to do a lot of basic research into what you are doing with both mediawiki and Linux in general if you want to be serious about administering a system yourself. Regards, Dave Pace On 8/28/06, Jono Bradley <jono.bradley(a)ntlworld.com> wrote:

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problem,

I'd suggest turning SElinux back on (#setenforce 1) and then read up

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Arthur Guy

8:45 a.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Should I be doing this??

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but I cant figure out where I have to point the link too

How about your logo! Arthur arthur(a)assys.net -----Original Message----- From: mediawiki-l-bounces(a)Wikimedia.org [mailto:mediawiki-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Jono Bradley Sent: 27 August 2006 21:46 To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Should I be doing this?? I appreciate the help. But you might want to know that I cant actually find anywhere on that, which tells me how to change the logo. I know I have to change it in LocalSettings.php but I cant figure out where I have to point the link too.

Jono Bradley

10:36 a.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Should I be doing this??

Well I've uploaded my logo, but cant figure what to type in the LocalSettings.php to change it. Jono ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Guy" <Arthur(a)assys.net> To: "MediaWiki announcements and site admin list" <mediawiki-l(a)Wikimedia.org> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Should I be doing this??

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but I cant figure out where I have to point the link too

Alexis Moinet

12:01 p.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Should I be doing this??

Jono Bradley a écrit :

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Well I've uploaded my logo, but cant figure what to type in the LocalSettings.php to change it.

In Localsettings.php, somewhere there is a line (for mediawiki version 1.7.1) : $wgLogo = "$wgStylePath/common/images/wiki.png"; so you simply need to change that line onto : $wgLogo = "$wgStylePath/common/images/name of your image.png"; assuming that you've put your image in /your_web_folder/your_wiki_folder/skins/common/images/ (something like "c:\www\mywiki\skins\common\images\" for windows) does it help ? Alexis

Jono Bradley

2:53 p.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Should I be doing this??

Well I uploaded the Image using the Wiki. And I know its In Images : $wgLogo = "$wgStylePath/common/images/wiki.png"; - Thats the line i get which i need to change. I just dont know what to change it too... Domains - startrekprotection.com - public_html - wiki - images - Stp_badge.jpg Thats the path to find the image on the server after its bin uploaded through Wiki. Jono _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

David Pace

3:51 p.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Should I be doing this??

Did you read the documentation, or any of the exchanges on this list on this subject?? I'll give you the quick fix: Put your image in the /common/images directory. You can even rename it wiki.png so you don't even have to touch your LocalSettings.php file. If you keep the old image name just change the line to the following: "$wgStylePath/common/images/yourimage.png" However, I would advise that if you are planning on running a wiki you become familiar with its basic configuration. You really should know every line in your LocalSettings file and what exactly it does. The file is very well documented on Meta and I think you should spend some time there. You probably shouldn't be running about changing things without understanding what or why or how, not if you really want to learn how to manage a mediawiki implementation. Regards, Dave Pace On 8/28/06, Jono Bradley <jono.bradley(a)ntlworld.com> wrote:

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Jono Bradley

3:55 p.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Should I be doing this??

Well that was what I was going to do but I cant find the common/images directory. Thanks I will read up on it ;) Jono ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pace" <gps.david.pace(a)gmail.com> To: "MediaWiki announcements and site admin list" <mediawiki-l(a)wikimedia.org> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Should I be doing this??

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Did you read the documentation, or any of the exchanges on this list on

this

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subject?? I'll give you the quick fix: Put your image in the /common/images directory. You can even rename it wiki.png so you don't even have to touch your LocalSettings.php file. If

you

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keep the old image name just change the line to the following: "$wgStylePath/common/images/yourimage.png" However, I would advise that if you are planning on running a wiki you become familiar with its basic configuration. You really should know every line in your LocalSettings file and what exactly it does. The file is very well documented on Meta and I think you should spend some time there. You probably shouldn't be running about changing things without understanding what or why or how, not if you really want to learn how to manage a mediawiki implementation. Regards, Dave Pace On 8/28/06, Jono Bradley <jono.bradley(a)ntlworld.com> wrote:

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David Pace

4:16 p.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Should I be doing this??

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Did you read the documentation, or any of the exchanges on this list on

this

subject?? I'll give you the quick fix: Put your image in the /common/images directory. You can even rename it wiki.png so you don't even have to touch your LocalSettings.php file. If

you

every

line in your LocalSettings file and what exactly it does. The file is

very

well documented on Meta and I think you should spend some time there.

You

probably shouldn't be running about changing things without

understanding

what or why or how, not if you really want to learn how to manage a mediawiki implementation. Regards, Dave Pace On 8/28/06, Jono Bradley <jono.bradley(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > > Well I uploaded the Image using the Wiki. And I know its In Images : > > $wgLogo = "$wgStylePath/common/images/wiki.png"; - Thats the line i

get

which i need to change. I just dont know what to change it too... Domains - startrekprotection.com - public_html - wiki - images - Stp_badge.jpg Thats the path to find the image on the server after its bin uploaded through Wiki. Jono _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

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Jono Bradley

4:41 p.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Should I be doing this??

Never mind found it. Thanks, anyway. Jono ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pace" <gps.david.pace(a)gmail.com> To: "MediaWiki announcements and site admin list" <mediawiki-l(a)wikimedia.org> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Should I be doing this??

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You can't be serious. If you are, my apologies. If you aren't, as I suspect, I would like to take the time to politely ask you to stop spamming this mailing list and find your trolling kicks somewhere else. Regards, Dave Pace On 8/28/06, Jono Bradley <jono.bradley(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > > Well that was what I was going to do but I cant find the common/images > directory. > > Thanks I will read up on it ;) > > Jono > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Pace" <gps.david.pace(a)gmail.com> > To: "MediaWiki announcements and site admin list" > <mediawiki-l(a)wikimedia.org> > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 2:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Should I be doing this?? > > > > Did you read the documentation, or any of the exchanges on this list

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> this > > subject?? > > > > I'll give you the quick fix: > > > > Put your image in the /common/images directory. You can even rename it > > wiki.png so you don't even have to touch your LocalSettings.php file.

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> you > > keep the old image name just change the line to the following: > > > > "$wgStylePath/common/images/yourimage.png" > > > > However, I would advise that if you are planning on running a wiki

you

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> > become familiar with its basic configuration. You really should know > every > > line in your LocalSettings file and what exactly it does. The file is > very > > well documented on Meta and I think you should spend some time there. > You > > probably shouldn't be running about changing things without > understanding > > what or why or how, not if you really want to learn how to manage a > > mediawiki implementation. > > > > Regards, > > > > Dave Pace > > > > > > > > On 8/28/06, Jono Bradley <jono.bradley(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > > > > > > Well I uploaded the Image using the Wiki. And I know its In Images : > > > > > > $wgLogo = "$wgStylePath/common/images/wiki.png"; - Thats the line i > get > > > which i need to change. > > > > > > I just dont know what to change it too... > > > > > > Domains - startrekprotection.com - public_html - wiki - images - > > > Stp_badge.jpg > > > > > > Thats the path to find the image on the server after its bin

uploaded

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8:06 p.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Stop hijacking my question!

Jono, Stop hijacking my question. If your reader "only" lets you reply, get it fixed. My question went unanswered because you replied to my posting and deleted my message. And your last 10 messages were trying to change the logo? Come on, get serious, and stop spamming the message board! I would appreciate if someone would read my previous question below. Thanks.

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system

into MW. A scheme like the one you describe may work, but it is with the risk of restraining yourself and your users too much, and not really

taking

advantage of the freedom a wiki can give you. There basically is no "correct" way of organizing information in a wiki - it is up to you and your users to organize the content, as you see fit. If you want a more hierarchical organization of content, you may be

better

off with another CMS or wiki engine which is better set up for this kind

thing. If you want your site to be a wiki, I'd suggest you simpy throw everything together in the main namespace, and use categories like Java,

C+ etc to tie related pages together. This will be the least restrained option, leaving you and your users with the greatest freedom to organize things as you go. You may use custom namespaces as you suggest, but namespaces are not an ideal way of organizing content, they are primarily meant to

differentiate

between different types of content and functionality, i.e. between

content

and userpages, discussionpages, system pages etc. Best wishes, Morten :-) -- Crews Cut Production Morten Blaabjerg Danmarksgade 97 - DK-5000 Odense C Tlf. 65 90 60 88 / 51 80 91 55 http://morten.crewscut.com morten(a)crewscut.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yusuf Mohsinally" <yusufm(a)hotmail.com> To: <mediawiki-l(a)Wikimedia.org> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 11:44 PM Subject: [Mediawiki-l] Should I be doing this?? > Hi, > > I have a site that will have information about programming languages.

> questions concern the organization of that information, and I wanted

know if the way I am planning on doing it is correct, or if theres a better way. - I have a namespace for each programming language. I think this is necessary, because: ---- It allows users to search within articles for only particular languages. ---- It allows articles of the same name to live under each language

(e.g. > LangJava:Arrays, LangC:Arrays, etc.) > > - As far as I have found out. Categories are common for the whole

site.

> So, > the cateogory Arrays, can be a subcategory of other cateogies (e.g. > LangJava, LangC) but it will just be one category. For example, the > categories Category:LangJava:Arrays and Category:LangC:Arrays both

point

to the same category (Arrays), not to two different sub categories. So heres my question. Do categories that are similar between all programming languages, (e.g. Arrays) have to be labeled differently (e.g.

JavaArrays, > CArrays) for them to be disctint, or am I missing something...

Because,

a user wants to check Arrays articles for Java, they should be able to

look > through a category for only Java Arrays. > > - Another question is, it seems that namespaces and categories are not > really mutually exclusive, so, I need namespaces like (LangJava,

LangC)

AND articles found within these namespaces must belong to categories like (Category:LangJava, Category:LangC) as well? Do the above methods seem reasonable or have I totally missed the

correct

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6:33 a.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Stop hijacking my question!

Standard practice would be to put Category:Java_Arrays as a subcategory in both Category:Java and Category:Arrays. You can tag articles about "java arrays" using [[Category:Java_Arrays]], you don't need to explicitly tag it with [[Category:Arrays]] also. Felix On 8/29/06, Yusuf Mohsinally <yusufm(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

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system

into MW. A scheme like the one you describe may work, but it is with the risk of restraining yourself and your users too much, and not really

taking

better

off with another CMS or wiki engine which is better set up for this kind

thing. If you want your site to be a wiki, I'd suggest you simpy throw everything together in the main namespace, and use categories like Java,

differentiate

between different types of content and functionality, i.e. between

content

> questions concern the organization of that information, and I wanted

(e.g. > LangJava:Arrays, LangC:Arrays, etc.) > > - As far as I have found out. Categories are common for the whole

site.

point

JavaArrays, > CArrays) for them to be disctint, or am I missing something...

Because,

a user wants to check Arrays articles for Java, they should be able to

look > through a category for only Java Arrays. > > - Another question is, it seems that namespaces and categories are not > really mutually exclusive, so, I need namespaces like (LangJava,

LangC)

AND articles found within these namespaces must belong to categories like (Category:LangJava, Category:LangC) as well? Do the above methods seem reasonable or have I totally missed the

correct

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Yusuf Mohsinally

7:30 p.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] Stop hijacking my question!

Thanks a lot. Very good information.

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From: "Felix Andrews" <felix(a)nfrac.org> Reply-To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list <mediawiki-l(a)Wikimedia.org> To: "MediaWiki announcements and site admin list" <mediawiki-l(a)wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Stop hijacking my question! Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:33:33 +1000 Standard practice would be to put Category:Java_Arrays as a subcategory in both Category:Java and Category:Arrays. You can tag articles about "java arrays" using [[Category:Java_Arrays]], you don't need to explicitly tag it with [[Category:Arrays]] also. Felix On 8/29/06, Yusuf Mohsinally <yusufm(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

Thanks.

>Thanks. I think I will go with articles being in the main namespace. I

had

>a >question about categories based on this decision though... > >I will create top level categories like Java, C, Perl, etc. Now

thinking

>about a category like Arrays, which is a general concept to all

language,

>but also contains specific info for each. > >As I read from documentation, you can create a category called Array,

and

>you can make one or more categories as it parent. But you can't make

unique

>sub cateogories each called Array, that fit under a single parent >category... So you can't really create somethign like the following,

where

>if you click on each "Array" category you only get articles for each >specific programming language: > >Java >---Arrays <- not only Java Arrays information (common category,

contains

>all Arrays articles) > >Perl >---Arrays <- not only Perl Arrays information (common category,

contains

>All Arrays articles) > >I think the only way to be able to select a category and get specific >programming language Array information is to create unique Arrays >categories >like: > >Java >----- Java_Arrays <- now this could contain only java arrays

articles.

and also have a general Arrays category which is tagged to all Arrays articles as well? Is it good practice to be creating prog lang specific categories (Java_Arrays) and also a general Arrays category? Thanks.

> >From: "Morten Blaabjerg" <morten(a)crewscut.com> > >Reply-To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list > ><mediawiki-l(a)Wikimedia.org> > >To: "MediaWiki announcements and site admin list" > ><mediawiki-l(a)Wikimedia.org> > >Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Should I be doing this?? > >Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 00:14:45 +0200 > > > >Yusuf, it sounds to me like you're trying to squeeze a hierarchical >system > >into MW. A scheme like the one you describe may work, but it is with

the

> >risk of restraining yourself and your users too much, and not really >taking > >advantage of the freedom a wiki can give you. There basically is no > >"correct" way of organizing information in a wiki - it is up to you

and

> >your > >users to organize the content, as you see fit. > > > >If you want a more hierarchical organization of content, you may be >better > >off with another CMS or wiki engine which is better set up for this

kind

>of > >thing. If you want your site to be a wiki, I'd suggest you simpy

throw

> >everything together in the main namespace, and use categories like

Java,

>C, > >C+ etc to tie related pages together. This will be the least

restrained

> >option, leaving you and your users with the greatest freedom to

organize

> >things as you go. > > > >You may use custom namespaces as you suggest, but namespaces are not

> >ideal way of organizing content, they are primarily meant to >differentiate > >between different types of content and functionality, i.e. between >content > >and userpages, discussionpages, system pages etc. > > > >Best wishes, > >Morten :-) > > > >-- > >Crews Cut Production > >Morten Blaabjerg > >Danmarksgade 97 - DK-5000 Odense C > >Tlf. 65 90 60 88 / 51 80 91 55 > >http://morten.crewscut.com > >morten(a)crewscut.com > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Yusuf Mohsinally" <yusufm(a)hotmail.com> > >To: <mediawiki-l(a)Wikimedia.org> > >Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 11:44 PM > >Subject: [Mediawiki-l] Should I be doing this?? > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I have a site that will have information about programming

languages.

>My > > > questions concern the organization of that information, and I

wanted

>to > > > know > > > if the way I am planning on doing it is correct, or if theres a

better

> > > way. > > > > > > - I have a namespace for each programming language. I think this

> > > necessary, because: > > > ---- It allows users to search within articles for only particular > > > languages. > > > ---- It allows articles of the same name to live under each

language

> >(e.g. > > > LangJava:Arrays, LangC:Arrays, etc.) > > > > > > - As far as I have found out. Categories are common for the whole >site. > > > So, > > > the cateogory Arrays, can be a subcategory of other cateogies

(e.g.

> > > LangJava, LangC) but it will just be one category. For example,

the

> > > categories Category:LangJava:Arrays and Category:LangC:Arrays both >point > > > to > > > the same category (Arrays), not to two different sub categories. > > > > > > So heres my question. Do categories that are similar between all > > > programming > > > languages, (e.g. Arrays) have to be labeled differently (e.g. > >JavaArrays, > > > CArrays) for them to be disctint, or am I missing something... >Because, > >if > > > a > > > user wants to check Arrays articles for Java, they should be able

> >look > > > through a category for only Java Arrays. > > > > > > - Another question is, it seems that namespaces and categories are

not

> > > really mutually exclusive, so, I need namespaces like (LangJava, >LangC) > > > AND > > > articles found within these namespaces must belong to categories

> (Category:LangJava, Category:LangC) as well? > > Do the above methods seem reasonable or have I totally missed the correct > way of organizing information? > > Thanks! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get real-time traffic reports with Windows Live Local Search >

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7:48 p.m.

New subject: [Mediawiki-l] How to not show page name on top?

Like on the wikipedia main page, I don't want to show the page name as a top heading. Mediawiki does this by default, and I could not find a directive that turns this off. Anyone know how? Thanks. _________________________________________________________________ Call friends with PC-to-PC calling -- FREE http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&sou…

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New subject: [Mediawiki-l] How to not show page name on top?

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Like on the wikipedia main page, I don't want to show the page name as

a >top heading. Mediawiki does this by default, and I could not find a

...

directive that turns this off. Anyone know how? Thanks.

Add the following code to your monobook.js file (Mediawiki:monobook.js): /* BEGIN */ // Remove "Main Page" title from just that page var mpTitle = "Main Page"; var isMainPage = (document.title.substr(0, document.title.lastIndexOf(" - ")) == mpTitle); var isDiff = (document.location.search && (document.location.search.indexOf("diff=") != -1 || document.location.search.indexOf("oldid=") != -1)); if (isMainPage && !isDiff) { document.write('<style type="text/css">/*<![CDATA[*/ #lastmod, #siteSub, #contentSub, h1.firstHeading { display: none !important; } /*]]>*/</style>'); } /* END */ -Justin PRIVACY NOTICE This email and any attachments may be confidential and/or privileged. Use of the information contained in this email by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by replying to this message and delete this email.