MediaWiki-l January 2013

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Timeline widget with dates from templates via DPL to output javascript block?
by Richard 11 Jan '13

11 Jan '13

Hi, I have many pages that invoke templates with a date argument. I'd like to see if I can use the SIMILE timeline widget to build a timeline with links to the pages. The SIMILE timeline widget gets its data from script blocks, so I was wondering if I could use DPL to scrape out the dates and the pages and then use its formatting to output a script block that would supply the data to the timeline widget. Alternative solutions to populate the timeline widget data would also be appreciated. Thanks! -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" free book <http://tinyurl.com/d3d-pipeline> The Computer Graphics Museum <http://computergraphicsmuseum.org> The Terminals Wiki <http://terminals.classiccmp.org> Legalize Adulthood! (my blog) <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com>

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Responsive skins?
by Leonard Wallentin 11 Jan '13

11 Jan '13

Hello, I'm running a site with a (fairly) responsive skin at http://säsongsmat.nu (large thumbnails and image page images will resize, etc). It's far from perfect, and some parts are more RD than others. One think that I haven't looked into at all, is all the special pages that are build with tables (Special:UserLogin and many more). Making custom versions of them all would be a lot of job, so I'm asking here first: Has anyone done something like that already? I know there are a few responsive skins out there, did any of them address the special pages? Best regardsLeo Wallentin _______________Leonard Wallentinleo_wallentin@hotmail.com@leo_wallentin+46 (0) 735 - 933 543

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Re: [MediaWiki-l] Help Finding 3-rd Party MediaWiki Users and Suggestions What to Ask Them
by Jan Steinman 11 Jan '13

11 Jan '13

> From: Maria Miteva <mariya.miteva(a)gmail.com> > > I am failing to find any MediaWiki related > information on Aruba.it or contact information where I reach them and ask. > Could you tell me what you found to add them? I guess you had reasons. I did not add Aruba.it, nor do I know anything about them. If the history says I added them, then perhaps there's a security issue of some sort to address. I added: http://www.EcovillageNewsletter.org http://www.EcoReality.org > Also, even if you are not a very active consultant, you are welcome to > participate in discussions as long as you have feedback you want to share. > I will keep you updated! Thanks. I didn't see any way on that page for someone to register if they didn't have a site to list. > On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Jan Steinman <Jan(a)bytesmiths.com> wrote: > >> I've added a couple sites to your table that may be interesting. Feel free >> to delete them if not. >> >> I do MediaWiki consulting, but I don't push it too hard and don't have a >> page touting that. It's mostly to web clients who want to do something that >> I know MediaWiki is strong at. >> >>> From: Mariya Nedelcheva Miteva <mariya.miteva(a)gmail.com> >>> >>> My current project is to compile a list of 3-rd party MediaWiki >>> users... >>> >>> 1) If you know of any users that should be included in the list, I would >>> appreciate any additions. >> >> ---------------- >> :::: Life isn't fair. It's just fairer than death, that's all. -- William >> Goldman >> :::: Jan Steinman, EcoReality Co-op :::: ---------------- :::: Complex systems can evolve from simple systems only if there are stable intermediate forms... Among all possible complex forms, hierarchies are the only ones that have had the time to evolve. -- Donella H. Meadows :::: Jan Steinman, EcoReality Co-op ::::

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Multiple spaces
by Ad Strack van Schijndel 11 Jan '13

11 Jan '13

Hi, Is there an easy way to get 2 spaces between words? All spaces except 1 are removed and I can't think of a way to get two spaces. Why? In The Netherlands two spaces should appear in the address between postal code and place in print-outs. Thanks in advance, Ad

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Re: [MediaWiki-l] Help Finding 3-rd Party MediaWiki Users and Suggestions What to Ask Them
by Jan Steinman 11 Jan '13

11 Jan '13

I've added a couple sites to your table that may be interesting. Feel free to delete them if not. I do MediaWiki consulting, but I don't push it too hard and don't have a page touting that. It's mostly to web clients who want to do something that I know MediaWiki is strong at. > From: Mariya Nedelcheva Miteva <mariya.miteva(a)gmail.com> > > My current project is to compile a list of 3-rd party MediaWiki > users... > > 1) If you know of any users that should be included in the list, I would > appreciate any additions. ---------------- :::: Life isn't fair. It's just fairer than death, that's all. -- William Goldman :::: Jan Steinman, EcoReality Co-op ::::

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Help Finding 3-rd Party MediaWiki Users and Suggestions What to Ask Them
by Mariya Nedelcheva Miteva 11 Jan '13

11 Jan '13

Hi everyone, My name is Mariya ( User:Mitevam) and I am an intern with WMF for about a week now. My current project is to compile a list of 3-rd party MediaWiki users and reach out to them to find out what we can do for them, what they would like to see in MediaWiki in the future, etc. and also how they could contribute back. The list I have so far is on my User page<http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Mitevam>. I am mostly interested in businesses offering MediaWiki consulting, hosting, development, training, etc services since they seem more likely to get involved in the discussion but single MediaWiki wikis are also welcome if they are active and willing to participate. I am reaching out to the list for help with the following: 1) If you know of any users that should be included in the list, I would appreciate any additions. I am sure I did not find all of them. 2) One way to look for 3-rd party users was a web search for keywords such as "MediaWiki consultancy", "MediaWiki training", "MediaWiki skin design", "MediaWiki hosting", "MediaWiki installation", "MediaWiki support". I have so far done web searches in English, Bulgarian, Spanish and Russian. I am not 100% confident with my Spanish and Russian searches and I can not really search in any other language efficiently. If you are a native or fluent speaker of another language I would be grateful if you could do a quick search and let me know if you find any major businesses I might have missed. Some don't have an English version of their website. Some major languages would be German, French, Japanese, but any is welcome. 3) If you have any questions/topics, which arise in your own work, which you would like me to bring up to 3-rd party users, please let me know. Thank you in advance. Mariya

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#switch not working
by Al Johnson 10 Jan '13

10 Jan '13

Just a guess, but this switch statement is in a template that is 2-levels deep. IOW, a page calls template 1 which calls template 2. Would this cause a problem? I've tried numerous examples and it works when it's the 1st template called, but not the second. Al

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Can't get #arraymap to work with space   delimiter
by Al Johnson 10 Jan '13

10 Jan '13

Hi, This might be a bug. I followed the instructions precisely and even tried both   and   to no avail. I can't use a comma because I'm parsing URLs which allow commas. Please help, Al

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Page Variables Extension Recommendation
by Al Johnson 10 Jan '13

10 Jan '13

Hi, There are a few extensions that enable the use of variables in pages/templates. Can anyone recommend a good/stable/safe one? BTW, here's why I need it. I need a unique name/id assigned to each instance of a "multiple" form template so that other dependent subobjects can be associated with each. Thanks, Al

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Linode Setup for Mediawiki
by Dan Fisher 10 Jan '13

10 Jan '13

I've been recommended to use the following setup in Linode: >> NGINX, PHP-FPM with APC and MySQL. When I sign up for Linode, it will probably give me options for the type of setup. Which one should I choose? Arch Linux 2012.10 CentOS 6.2 Debian 6 Fedora 17 Gentoo openSUSE 12.1 Slackware 13.37 Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Ubuntu 11.10 Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Ubuntu 12.10 Also is there anything else I should take care of during the sign-up process? thanks Dan On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Serrano <cserrano(a)gmail.com> wrote: > With Linode every plan has the same virtualized quad core CPU. With my wiki > I have never triggered a CPU alert and have a load average of 1.5. I have > been reddited frequently without issue running the stack I described along > with Cloudflare's CDN and a separate Linode for mecached. As I said, you > should have no issue on a $20/mo 512MB Linode provided you're running a > modern PHP stack. > > Best, > Chris > > > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Dan Fisher <danfisher261(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Thanks, I'm looking into Linode. I've been recommended that once before > on > > this list. Does it handle traffic spikes well? Or would that trigger a > CPU > > alert? I've gotten those alerts before from my present hosting company > and > > it stresses me out. That's how I was kicked out - too many CPU alerts. My > > setup at that time had no speed/cache optimization. Maybe the new Linode > > setup would be so fast that traffic spikes would not be a problem. > > I just don't want any kind of resource usage alerts and yes, I know once > I > > get more traffic like you do, I'll have to upgrade. I can even get the > 1GB > > Linode later. > > Once a link to the wiki was posted on the front page of Reddit and we had > > lots of traffic and I had to take that page down for a short while > > (redirected). Another time, a link was posted to a Facebook page which > had > > 20 or 60K likes and we were getting clicks like crazy and I had to take > > that page down too. > > > > About this: > > >> My recommendation is NGINX, PHP-FPM with APC and the built-in > mediawiki > > file > > cache. If you're not getting the performance you want you could also run > > Varnish or set up a separate Linode for memcached. You could also place > the > > wiki behind Cloudflare if you're serving a lot of media files on page, if > > not I don't think it would be beneficial. > > > > I'm not serving media files. Most stuff is regular wiki pages (most of > them > > to logged out users, as is often the case) and even graphics are rarely > > used. I've heard of the NGINX recommendation before but I have no > > experience with it. The price for the 512 package is definitely > attractive > > and I can get it and play with the setup. > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Serrano <cserrano(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I run a wiki an order of magnitude larger than yours on a 2GB Linode. > You > > > should have no issue on a $20/mo 512MB Linode provided you're running a > > > modern PHP stack. > > > > > > My recommendation is NGINX, PHP-FPM with APC and the built-in mediawiki > > > file cache. If you're not getting the performance you want you could > also > > > run Varnish or set up a separate Linode for memcached. You could also > > place > > > the wiki behind Cloudflare if you're serving a lot of media files on > > page, > > > if not I don't think it would be beneficial. > > > > > > Best, > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Dan Fisher <danfisher261(a)gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I was running mediawiki on a Shared host and traffic was around 10K > > > views a > > > > day (small to moderate size wiki). I was forced to leave that setup > > > because > > > > of high CPU usage. I was not able to install Squid there or do > anything > > > to > > > > speed things up. I had talked about that before on this list and I'm > > > > thankful for the recommendations. > > > > Now I'm on a VPS where Squid is running and currently I don't have > CPU > > > > issues except when there's a traffic spike. So I've decided to look > > for a > > > > dedicated server. I've seen on web hosting forums that (low-end?) > > > dedicated > > > > servers are available for pretty cheap ($100). Currently I'm paying > $70 > > > for > > > > the VPS. > > > > My key issue is that the webhost has to willing to let me remain > > > anonymous > > > > and because of this my options are limited. For example they have to > > > accept > > > > Paypal. I have not looked around yet at what options are available > but > > I > > > > will look into that next after this discussion. > > > > To be prepared for the future, I want the server to be able to > support > > > 30K > > > > views a day (3 times the current traffic) and display pages with no > > > > noticeable/serious delays. I hope a $100 server with Squid can do > this > > > for > > > > me. > > > > Are there any server specs that I should look for? The first one > would > > be > > > > RAM. What's the minimum RAM I should have? Other desirable specs? > > > > > > > > My second issue is the hit ratio for Squid: According to Squid's > cache > > > > manager, the cache hit rate is about 40% and the byte hit ratio is > 20%. > > > > Average time taken to serve a "missed" request is 0.7 seconds, while > > for > > > a > > > > hit its only 0.02 seconds (35 times faster). So a higher hit ratio > > would > > > be > > > > really nice. > > > > Looking at Squid's access logs, I also noticed that calls to Load.php > > are > > > > always "misses". Can anything be done to fix that? > > > > What can be done to optimize Squid for mediawiki and increase the hit > > > > ratio? The RAM I have available is 1.3GB and I told Squid it can use > > > 130MB > > > > and it goes over and the total RAM used usually stays around 40%. I > > know > > > > 1.3GB may be small. I've heard we need to leave some ram free, to > > ensure > > > > system stability. I may have more RAM in the dedicated server when I > > get > > > > it. > > > > If anyone has a high hit ratio, I would really be thankful if you > could > > > > email me your Squid.conf (remove any sensitive information) and I can > > > > compare it with my setup. Or you could tell me the settings I should > > > change > > > > or add. > > > > > > > > thanks! > > > > Dan > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > MediaWiki-l mailing list > > > > MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > MediaWiki-l mailing list > > > MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > MediaWiki-l mailing list > > MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l > > > _______________________________________________ > MediaWiki-l mailing list > MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l >

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