The triage was held on Wednesday, May 9, 16:00UTC in #mediawiki-i18n on Freenode IRC. About 6 people participated, and about 15 lurkers appeared in the channel. Thanks to all people that participated. We had prepared[1] some 10 topics, and were able to cover about three. Please find below the notes for the Meta and mediawiki.org translation tools bug triage. The etherpad may provide additional information. * https://bugzilla.wikedia.org/36591 -- Integration of CentralNotice with Translate extension. We expected a lot of support for this, and got it. We mainly tried to get a good feel of what a Meta CentralNotice administrator does with translations, and where the pain points are. The Localisation team will be performing a functional analysis in the current sprint, and document user stories for future development. * Moving translated pages around between wikis. Use case: Pages are translated at Meta-Wiki and have a target of wikimediafoundation.org. There wasn't a clear consensus on if and how this could be automated. Suggestions were made to use scary transclusion, transwiki import, or plain copy-paste. * New functionality for translator registration and translation notification. Jon Harald Søby wrote an interesting post about this today: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/translators-l/2012-May/002011.html. This all resulted in the following new issues reported: * https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36820 -- The first field on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:NotifyTranslators should only contain non-discouraged pages * https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36821 -- Notification e-mail should be more personal and specific (1) Fix wording and parameters in sentence: "You are receiving this e-mail because you signed up as a translator to [Your notified language(s)] on SITENAME." (list of localised language names). If not notified about all signed up languages, then only the matched languages from Special:TranslatorSignup should be added. (2) Change link part: language=FirstMatchedNotifiedLanguageCode. If one is signed up for German, French and Spanish, and French and Spanish are notified, then two links should be added in the e-mail; one to French, one to Spanish (listed with * prefix?). (3) Signature should be changed. Currently says "SITENAME staff". This should be "SITENAME translation administrators". * https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36822 -- Add timestamp to talk page message The talk page message must be updated. (1) Items from bug 36821 also apply. Additionally: (2) For talk page messages, a timestamp should be added after "SITENAME translation administrators". * https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36823 -- Filter source language signups from notifications On Special:TranslatorSignup, users can sign up for only English, too. That doesn't really make sense, but it's a valid use case. At least then we know they cannot help in making translations :). However, it doesn't make sense to ask them to visit something like https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ATranslate&tactio…it=100&task=view, as they'll get the message "English is the source language.". (1) Translators signed up for a site's content language (or later possibly the notified page's language) should not be notified. They can of course get a notification in English for another language they signed up for, because that's their primary language. * https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36824 -- Show only open production wikis in the wiki selector on Special:TranslatorSignup Not sure if this should be a CentralAuth feature request going something like "Add method to only deliver list of open production wikis with attached accounts". Feel free to refile. I wouldn't like to have to filter in TranslationNotifications; that doesn't really make sense. Special:TranslatorSignup currently shows a list with wikis with attached accounts for the current user. For https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/siebrand, this for example contains wikis like: * test2.wikipedia.org (non-production) * en.labs.wikimedia.org (non-production) * wikimania[2009|2010|2011].wikimedia.org (outdated) * ten.wikipedia.org (outdated) * aa.wikipedia.org (locked) (1) Provide a list with on Special:TranslatorSignup, through CentralAuth that only contains open production wikis. * https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36825 -- Make translated page source more easily accessible On http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AMessageGroupStats&…&language=es. if you could fix that somehow so that there's a direct link tohttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_use/asthttp://meta.wikimedia.org/… to view the source to copy andhttp://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terms_of_use/ast&action=… to have a quick review of the history Niklas suggests to provide a plain text export of the page source via the Export tab. * https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36826 -- Add DISPLAYNAME in translated page export Depends on 36825. When this issue is resolved, also add {{DISPLAYNAME}} to the exported text if the page display name has been translated. Suggested by Niklas in during bug triage. The following bugs are planned to be addressed short term: 36756, 36820, 36821, 36822, 36823, 36824. [1] http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/BugTriage-i18n-2012-05 -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate