Hi all!
We are building an OpenLayers-based, time-variable interactive map of ancient Roman military installations. A beta version is available on Tool Labs[0].
I was asked to begin integrating the map into dewiki articles. As a first step, a customized version of the map should be added to some Limes-related articles copied to the user namespace for testing.
Obviously, I can't just add a script which adds custom HTML to the DOM. However, the OSM plugin/extension/? which is used by the Coordinate Template seems to do exactly that, so there must be a way to do it.
How would I go about this?
Thanks, Johannes
[0] http://tools.wmflabs.org/render-tests/limes/web/
Hello Johannes, the OSM extension has it's installation-docu: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProjekt_Georeferenzierung/Anwend...
That means we load the following JS into the system: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:OSM.js
This JS looks in the article to find a coordinate-hook and add a link behind it, this link open the iframe.
It's all relatively complex and I believe a normal weblink would be for your tool perhaps be the better alternative. By a template this link could also be in the right top corner, but your tool wouldn't run in an iframe. The solution with an iframe has also disadvantages that the window is relatively small.
About how many articles we are talking?
Could we find a more generic way for all historical map by supporting later OpenHistoricMap? Than the situation would be different.
Greetings Tim alias Kolossos
Zitat von Johannes Kroll johannes.kroll@wikimedia.de:
Hi all!
We are building an OpenLayers-based, time-variable interactive map of ancient Roman military installations. A beta version is available on Tool Labs[0].
I was asked to begin integrating the map into dewiki articles. As a first step, a customized version of the map should be added to some Limes-related articles copied to the user namespace for testing.
Obviously, I can't just add a script which adds custom HTML to the DOM. However, the OSM plugin/extension/? which is used by the Coordinate Template seems to do exactly that, so there must be a way to do it.
How would I go about this?
Thanks, Johannes
[0] http://tools.wmflabs.org/render-tests/limes/web/
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Hi Tim,
thanks for your reply.
On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 14:53:27 +0200 Tim Alder tim.alder@s2002.tu-chemnitz.de wrote:
Hello Johannes, the OSM extension has it's installation-docu: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProjekt_Georeferenzierung/Anwend...
That means we load the following JS into the system: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:OSM.js
This JS looks in the article to find a coordinate-hook and add a link behind it, this link open the iframe.
Sounds good so far.
It's all relatively complex and I believe a normal weblink would be for your tool perhaps be the better alternative. By a template this link could also be in the right top corner, but your tool wouldn't run in an iframe. The solution with an iframe has also disadvantages that the window is relatively small.
The web link is what we can currently do. If we wanted that, I wouldn't have asked here.
About how many articles we are talking?
We want to place the map into some articles copied to user pages at first, as a test case/demo.
Then, we want to integrate the map into the Limes-related articles. Our DB currently contains historical information about ~1100 different Lemmas. Not all of them correspond to a separate WP article.
There is interest in the community for another project which will use the map software. This next map will display time-based data about villages which were demolished for coal surface mining. I'm currently extending the software to be configurable and more generic, so that other projects can use the map without changing the code. The mining map should probably also be integrated into articles. This will include 150 articles or so. See [0] for discussion.
We are currently using a temporary method for data input and storage. At some point we will switch to Wikidata, which we couldn't use at the start mainly because it couldn't store geographic locations, which it now can.
Could we find a more generic way for all historical map by supporting later OpenHistoricMap? Than the situation would be different.
I haven't looked at OpenHistoricMap in detail.
So, if I understand correctly, the next step would be to create a script similar to MediaWiki:OSM.js, which we then install in the Wiki by modifying MediaWiki:Common.js. Correct?
I don't want to work on something that people are opposed to. If there's consensus that we should not integrate the map into WP articles, I will just pass that on to the community and my WMDE colleagues. What do other people think?
Thanks, Johannes
[0] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Diskussion:Bautzen#Pilotprojekt_zu_W...
Hi Johannes and everyone on the maps list,
In relation to the Wikimaps project I have proposed a round table for geodata in the Wikimania DevCamp, on Wednesday the 7th in the afternoon. It does not seem to show in the program yet.
There are ways in which we all want maps to be displayed and geographic data to be stored. We need to come together with the projects and definitions. In the Wikimaps proposal http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikimaps we are proposing to develop both a gazetteer of historical places and to develop the display of maps in Wikimedia.
Would you, Johannes, be attending Wikimania, or anyone else from the project? If not and in any case, we need to find a way to coordinate outside events.
Everyone else also, please join the discussion in Wikimania and on the list.
Best regards, Susanna
2013/7/24 Johannes Kroll johannes.kroll@wikimedia.de
Hi Tim,
thanks for your reply.
On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 14:53:27 +0200 Tim Alder tim.alder@s2002.tu-chemnitz.de wrote:
Hello Johannes, the OSM extension has it's installation-docu:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProjekt_Georeferenzierung/Anwend...
That means we load the following JS into the system: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:OSM.js
This JS looks in the article to find a coordinate-hook and add a link behind it, this link open the iframe.
Sounds good so far.
It's all relatively complex and I believe a normal weblink would be for your tool perhaps be the better alternative. By a template this link could also be in the right top corner, but your tool wouldn't run in an iframe. The solution with an iframe has also disadvantages that the window is relatively small.
The web link is what we can currently do. If we wanted that, I wouldn't have asked here.
About how many articles we are talking?
We want to place the map into some articles copied to user pages at first, as a test case/demo.
Then, we want to integrate the map into the Limes-related articles. Our DB currently contains historical information about ~1100 different Lemmas. Not all of them correspond to a separate WP article.
There is interest in the community for another project which will use the map software. This next map will display time-based data about villages which were demolished for coal surface mining. I'm currently extending the software to be configurable and more generic, so that other projects can use the map without changing the code. The mining map should probably also be integrated into articles. This will include 150 articles or so. See [0] for discussion.
We are currently using a temporary method for data input and storage. At some point we will switch to Wikidata, which we couldn't use at the start mainly because it couldn't store geographic locations, which it now can.
Could we find a more generic way for all historical map by supporting later OpenHistoricMap? Than the situation would be different.
I haven't looked at OpenHistoricMap in detail.
So, if I understand correctly, the next step would be to create a script similar to MediaWiki:OSM.js, which we then install in the Wiki by modifying MediaWiki:Common.js. Correct?
I don't want to work on something that people are opposed to. If there's consensus that we should not integrate the map into WP articles, I will just pass that on to the community and my WMDE colleagues. What do other people think?
Thanks, Johannes
[0]
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Diskussion:Bautzen#Pilotprojekt_zu_W...
-- Johannes Kroll Softwareentwickler
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | NEU: Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0
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Hi Susanna!
I can't be at Wikimania, but Angelika will be there. I'm forwarding this mail to her.
Best, Johannes
On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 19:52:37 +0300 Susanna Ånäs susanna.anas@wikimedia.fi wrote:
Hi Johannes and everyone on the maps list,
In relation to the Wikimaps project I have proposed a round table for geodata in the Wikimania DevCamp, on Wednesday the 7th in the afternoon. It does not seem to show in the program yet.
There are ways in which we all want maps to be displayed and geographic data to be stored. We need to come together with the projects and definitions. In the Wikimaps proposal http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikimaps we are proposing to develop both a gazetteer of historical places and to develop the display of maps in Wikimedia.
Would you, Johannes, be attending Wikimania, or anyone else from the project? If not and in any case, we need to find a way to coordinate outside events.
Everyone else also, please join the discussion in Wikimania and on the list.
Best regards, Susanna
2013/7/24 Johannes Kroll johannes.kroll@wikimedia.de
Hi Tim,
thanks for your reply.
On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 14:53:27 +0200 Tim Alder tim.alder@s2002.tu-chemnitz.de wrote:
Hello Johannes, the OSM extension has it's installation-docu:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProjekt_Georeferenzierung/Anwend...
That means we load the following JS into the system: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:OSM.js
This JS looks in the article to find a coordinate-hook and add a link behind it, this link open the iframe.
Sounds good so far.
It's all relatively complex and I believe a normal weblink would be for your tool perhaps be the better alternative. By a template this link could also be in the right top corner, but your tool wouldn't run in an iframe. The solution with an iframe has also disadvantages that the window is relatively small.
The web link is what we can currently do. If we wanted that, I wouldn't have asked here.
About how many articles we are talking?
We want to place the map into some articles copied to user pages at first, as a test case/demo.
Then, we want to integrate the map into the Limes-related articles. Our DB currently contains historical information about ~1100 different Lemmas. Not all of them correspond to a separate WP article.
There is interest in the community for another project which will use the map software. This next map will display time-based data about villages which were demolished for coal surface mining. I'm currently extending the software to be configurable and more generic, so that other projects can use the map without changing the code. The mining map should probably also be integrated into articles. This will include 150 articles or so. See [0] for discussion.
We are currently using a temporary method for data input and storage. At some point we will switch to Wikidata, which we couldn't use at the start mainly because it couldn't store geographic locations, which it now can.
Could we find a more generic way for all historical map by supporting later OpenHistoricMap? Than the situation would be different.
I haven't looked at OpenHistoricMap in detail.
So, if I understand correctly, the next step would be to create a script similar to MediaWiki:OSM.js, which we then install in the Wiki by modifying MediaWiki:Common.js. Correct?
I don't want to work on something that people are opposed to. If there's consensus that we should not integrate the map into WP articles, I will just pass that on to the community and my WMDE colleagues. What do other people think?
Thanks, Johannes
[0]
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Diskussion:Bautzen#Pilotprojekt_zu_W...
-- Johannes Kroll Softwareentwickler
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | NEU: Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
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