Daniel Kinzler wrote: Quote: "TomTom has filed patent applications for the core concept of OpenLR(TM)" :-) I think they probably realized that nobody is able to provide better local information than people around world. If you are currently stuck in traffic, or got caught by the traffic police, or there is a local market in the town blocking the streets - it takes some time before this information is centrally processed and distributed for example via TMC. I like using TMC (whenever I drive a car that is equipped *and* this is in Germany) but I like citizen's band radio while on the road even better (works very good for example in Poland). Yes, your range is limited, and the information may be unreliable, and it's good to know local language, but you have multiple sources of information and the decision is ultimately yours. And no navigation system will tell you where the best food is on the road. Probably TomTom sees it as a valuable addition to the closed navigation maps used in the navigation devices. I wonder how fast everybody will realize that even with maps local information cannot be substituted. For example, 200meters from where I live Deutsche Bahn has completed construction of a whole new building and a street leading to it, I wonder how fast it will be available on commercial maps. I think that while initial mapping (from nothing) and importing freely licensed data is a problem, the OSM will be unbeatable when it comes to incremental, small updates, just as Wikipedia is. -- << Marcin Cieslak // saper(a)saper.info >>