Always keep in mind that we are dealing with two things: a) the OSM-toolserver
and b) the OSM production boxes, that is, database and renderer. From an
organizational point of view, they are hanldes very differently, especially with
regards to root access:
a) the OSM-toolserver is part of the toolserver cluster and run by wikimedia
germany. Getting root there entails getting root on the toolserver cluster in
gbeneral. This in turn means access to private user data of all of wikimedia's
wikis (settings, IPs, emial address, password hashes, etc). This is why we are
very restricting with handing out such access, and why the foundation has the
final word in who does get access. The process is basically that the existing
toolserver admins suggest someone for access, and Brion approves (or not).
Basically, the question is if the wikimedia community (tens of thousands of
active contributors!) can be expected to trust these people with their personal
b) the OSM database and renderer boxes are part of the squid cluster in
amsterdam, and run by the wikimedia foundation. We (wikimedia germany and the
toolserver admins) don't have any say over them. Getting root there does not
imply any additional access though, nor does it give access to private user data
(beyond the IPs of people loading tiles, i guess). These boxes are maintained by
Jens Frank (who is hard to reach these days), the cluster is maintained by Mark
Bergsma. The final word has, again, Brion. We, or better, you, can of course
make suggestions. Getting access here is probably simpler than getting root on
the toolserver - they are production systems, but breaking them just breaks OSM
support, nothing else (hopefully). And there's no access to private data, so
there's little potential for abuse.
In any case potential admins would need to provide proof of identity, be of
legal age (i think this means at least 18 *and* legal in their country of
<http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Privacy_policy> and, in case of the
<https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Rules>. I can imaging that the foundation
would also like to have some paper signed, especially with people they don't
really know. Usually, this kind of access is granted to people known for a long
time and in person.
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason schrieb:
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Gerald
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:33 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason <avarab(a)gmail.com>
Basically someone else than me who has time and
know how (which I
don't really have:) needs to take care of it.
I'll be away from the internet for most of August so if another admin
isn't found the box will be crippled for the near future.
Well, there have
been 3 people who have offered some degree of help.
Can access be granted by you, or do we need to go through some kind of
Not by me without approval, and yes, *some* vetting process (or something)
The sooner we can get this part worked out the
better, especially if you are
going to be absent in August.
I'm basically unfamiliar with the whole Toolserver setup. I was just
given shell to set things up and was considered trusted because I have
shell on the main Wikimedia servers.
Daniel, what would it take politics-wise to give these fine people the
required permissions? (Or anyone else who knows)
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