Hoi,
The objective of articles are that they are read. So when bot created articles lead to more readers, I am perfectly happy and so we should be all. Certainly, more can be achieved with the creators of bot articles but as far as I can observe, it has never been a priority because it does not fit in with the fixed agendas and the pre conceived ideas.

The bottom line is in the number of readers and editors. We can learn from and optimise with the Swedes. <grin> why don't we? </grin>
Thanks,
     GerardM

On 14 June 2015 at 17:17, Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

Dry article creation with little actual community interaction like discussions, arguments and reverts, is problematic, but it does have one overlooked advantage, which I myself didn't quite realize just a few months ago: Creating a lot of texts that are known to be corresponding (a.k.a. parallel) can be used by machine translation developers to create statistical MT engines. When an engine exists, it may make translation of more articles easier and faster.

Creating "enough articles to bootstrap MT" can be a goal for a content creation project. I'm not sure how many is enough - 10,000?..

And either I missed it, or nobody mentioned it yet, but ahem ahem ahem ContentTranslation. It is already helping Wikipedias in minorized languages to create a lot of meaningful articles more easily, and with future features like task lists and suggestions, it will be possible to use it for tracking success conveniently.

בתאריך 8 ביוני 2015 01:23,‏ "Milos Rancic" <millosh@gmail.com> כתב:

When you get data, at some point of time you start thinking about
quite fringe comparisons. But that could actually give some useful
conclusions, like this time it did [1].

We did the next:
* Used the number of primary speakers from Ethnologue. (Erik Zachte is
using approximate number of primary + secondary speakers; that could
be good for correction of this data.)
* Categorized languages according to the logarithmic number of
speakers: >=10k, >=100k, >=1M, >=10M, >=100M.
* Took the number of articles of Wikipedia in particular language and
created ration (number of articles / number of speakers).
* This list is consisted just of languages with Ethnologue status 1
(national), 2 (provincial) or 3 (wider communication). In fact, we
have a lot of projects (more than 100) with worse language status; a
number of them are actually threatened or even on the edge of
extinction.

Those are the preliminary results and I will definitely have to pass
through all the numbers. I fixed manually some serious errors, like
not having English Wikipedia itself inside of data :D

Putting the languages into the logarithmic categories proved to be
useful, as we are now able to compare the Wikipedias according to
their gross capacity (numbers of speakers). I suppose somebody well
introduced into statistics could even create the function which could
be used to check how good one project stays, no matter of those strict
categories.

It's obvious that as more speakers one language has, it's harder to
the community to follow the ratio.

So, the winners per category are:
1) >= 1k: Hawaiian, ratio 0.96900
2) >= 10k: Mirandese, ratio 0.18073
3) >= 100k: Basque, ratio 0.38061
4) >= 1M: Swedish, ratio 0.21381
5) >= 10M: Dutch, ratio 0.08305
6) >= 100M: English, ratio 0.01447

However, keep in mind that we removed languages not inside categories
1, 2 or 3. That affected >=10k languages, as, for example, Upper
Sorbian stays much better than Mirandese (0.67). (Will fix it while
creating the full report. Obviously, in this case logarithmic
categories of numbers of speakers are much more important than what's
the state of the language.)

It's obvious that we could draw the line between 1:1 for 1-10k
speakers to 10:1 for >=100M speakers. But, again, I would like to get
input of somebody more competent.

One very important category is missing here and it's about the level
of development of the speakers. That could be added: GDP/PPP per
capita for spoken country or countries would be useful as measurement.
And I suppose somebody with statistical knowledge would be able to
give us the number which would have meaning "ability to create
Wikipedia article".

Completed in such way, we'd be able to measure the success of
particular Wikimedia groups and organizations. OK. Articles per
speaker are not the only way to do so, but we could use other
parameters, as well: number of new/active/very active editors etc. And
we could put it into time scale.

I'll make some other results. And to remind: I'd like to have the
formula to count "ability to create Wikipedia article" and then to
produce "level of particular community success in creating Wikipedia
articles". And, of course, to implement it for editors.

[1] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TYyhETevEJ5MhfRheRn-aGc4cs_6k45Gwk_ic14TXY4/edit?usp=sharing

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