On the Cree-

I can put this question out in the next newsletter of the Society for the Study of the Indigenous Languages of the Americas.  One might contact: Arok Wolvengrey at the First Nations University of Canada. 

Once a language has reached a point at which local speakers cannot agree on the meaning of its writing system, or the language never acquired an accepted and integrated writing system, challenges abound for getting a growing encyclopedia going in the language.

Linguists do a great job of understanding indigenous languages: use, disuse, structure, and endangerment, but we need to try to bridge the gap between linguists' knowledge and tech-savvy, open-source communities.

Karen

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Today's Topics:

   1. [WPCY] Report of a visit to the National Eisteddfod at
      Llantwit Major (Richard Symonds)
   2. Fonts not working (JP B?land)
   3. Re: Fonts not working (Gerard Meijssen)
   4. Re: Fonts not working (Carlos Colina)
   5. Re: Fonts not working (JP B?land)
   6. Re: Fonts not working (Gerard Meijssen)


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Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 15:47:47 +0100
From: Richard Symonds <richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk>
To: languages@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Languages] [WPCY] Report of a visit to the National
        Eisteddfod at   Llantwit Major
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All,

The UK has a few smaller languages - Welsh, Scots, Gaelic and others. We've
not done much outreach with these before, but recently Robin Owain and
others of the Welsh Wikipedia - Wicipedia Cymraeg (
http://cy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafan) - has run some events with funding from
WMUK. A breakdown of the largest event at the National Eisteddfod is at
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Visit_report_-_National_Eisteddfod_8_Aug_2012.

Hope this is interesting for you all!

Richard Symonds
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Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 15:08:44 -0600
From: JP B?land <lebo.beland@gmail.com>
To: Languages discussion and Wikimedia Indigenous Languages
        <languages@lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: [Languages] Fonts not working
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Good day,
Does somebody on that list know where I should go about this issue:

When I open the Cree wikipedia (cr.wikipedia.org) from my work
computer, I only see squares instead of Cree syllabics. First, I would
like to know if that's normal or if that's bug. Second, would there be
a way to fix that from the MediaWiki end since people on computers
like that don't have access to change the settings of their browser or
install new fonts (now I'm from a work computer, but same thing could
happen from a computer in a library for example). I'm using Internet
Explorer 7.

I have posted it there:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Localisation#Font_not_working , but
I'm not sure it's the right place.

I remember reading about the extension WebFonts to avoid those issue,
how can we go to create one for Cree if it doesn't exist? And where
could I find more info about that?

Thanks,
JP Beland alias Amqui



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Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 23:35:51 +0200
From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>
To: Languages discussion and Wikimedia Indigenous Languages
        <languages@lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Languages] Fonts not working
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Hoi,
The problem is that you do not have the Cree font installed on your
computer. When there is a freely licensed font for the script used by the
Cree language, it will be possible to include it in the Webfonts
functionality. Similarly an input method can be included so that you can
type the characters.
Thanks,
      Gerard

PS it is not a bug. It works as designed.

On 14 September 2012 23:08, JP B?land <lebo.beland@gmail.com> wrote:

> Good day,
> Does somebody on that list know where I should go about this issue:
>
> When I open the Cree wikipedia (cr.wikipedia.org) from my work
> computer, I only see squares instead of Cree syllabics. First, I would
> like to know if that's normal or if that's bug. Second, would there be
> a way to fix that from the MediaWiki end since people on computers
> like that don't have access to change the settings of their browser or
> install new fonts (now I'm from a work computer, but same thing could
> happen from a computer in a library for example). I'm using Internet
> Explorer 7.
>
> I have posted it there:
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Localisation#Font_not_working , but
> I'm not sure it's the right place.
>
> I remember reading about the extension WebFonts to avoid those issue,
> how can we go to create one for Cree if it doesn't exist? And where
> could I find more info about that?
>
> Thanks,
> JP Beland alias Amqui
>
> _______________________________________________
> Languages mailing list
> Languages@lists.wikimedia.org
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Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 17:08:17 -0430
From: Carlos Colina <jewbask@wikimedia.org.ve>
To: Languages discussion and Wikimedia Indigenous Languages
        <languages@lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Languages] Fonts not working
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I think you need to install a language pack or a font. I can't see it a
work (I use Chrome here) but at home is OK (I use Firefox)

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 4:38 PM, JP B?land <lebo.beland@gmail.com> wrote:

> Good day,
> Does somebody on that list know where I should go about this issue:
>
> When I open the Cree wikipedia (cr.wikipedia.org) from my work
> computer, I only see squares instead of Cree syllabics. First, I would
> like to know if that's normal or if that's bug. Second, would there be
> a way to fix that from the MediaWiki end since people on computers
> like that don't have access to change the settings of their browser or
> install new fonts (now I'm from a work computer, but same thing could
> happen from a computer in a library for example). I'm using Internet
> Explorer 7.
>
> I have posted it there:
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Localisation#Font_not_working , but
> I'm not sure it's the right place.
>
> I remember reading about the extension WebFonts to avoid those issue,
> how can we go to create one for Cree if it doesn't exist? And where
> could I find more info about that?
>
> Thanks,
> JP Beland alias Amqui
>
> _______________________________________________
> Languages mailing list
> Languages@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/languages
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a la suma de todo el conocimiento. Ese es nuestro compromiso."

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Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 15:55:59 -0600
From: JP B?land <lebo.beland@gmail.com>
To: Languages discussion and Wikimedia Indigenous Languages
        <languages@lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Languages] Fonts not working
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How can we go about creating a new WebFont for the Extension ?

JP

2012/9/14 Carlos Colina <jewbask@wikimedia.org.ve>

> I think you need to install a language pack or a font. I can't see it a
> work (I use Chrome here) but at home is OK (I use Firefox)
>
> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 4:38 PM, JP B?land <lebo.beland@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Good day,
>> Does somebody on that list know where I should go about this issue:
>>
>> When I open the Cree wikipedia (cr.wikipedia.org) from my work
>> computer, I only see squares instead of Cree syllabics. First, I would
>> like to know if that's normal or if that's bug. Second, would there be
>> a way to fix that from the MediaWiki end since people on computers
>> like that don't have access to change the settings of their browser or
>> install new fonts (now I'm from a work computer, but same thing could
>> happen from a computer in a library for example). I'm using Internet
>> Explorer 7.
>>
>> I have posted it there:
>> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Localisation#Font_not_working , but
>> I'm not sure it's the right place.
>>
>> I remember reading about the extension WebFonts to avoid those issue,
>> how can we go to create one for Cree if it doesn't exist? And where
>> could I find more info about that?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> JP Beland alias Amqui
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Languages mailing list
>> Languages@lists.wikimedia.org
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/languages
>>
>
>
>
> --
> "Imagina un mundo en el que cada ser humano tiene la posibilidad de
> acceder a la suma de todo el conocimiento. Ese es nuestro compromiso."
>
> Carlos Manuel Colina
> Tesorero
> A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela
> J-40129321-2
> +58-416-9051946
>
>
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Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 00:08:59 +0200
From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>
To: Languages discussion and Wikimedia Indigenous Languages
        <languages@lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Languages] Fonts not working
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Hoi,
You don't. You seek a font that is either freely licensed or you talk to
the copyright holder and ask for it to be made available under a free
license.

Often you are successful because it does make the language more alive..
that is often the reason to make the font in the first place.
Thanks,
      Gerard

On 14 September 2012 23:55, JP B?land <lebo.beland@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> How can we go about creating a new WebFont for the Extension ?
>
> JP
>
>
> 2012/9/14 Carlos Colina <jewbask@wikimedia.org.ve>
>
>> I think you need to install a language pack or a font. I can't see it a
>> work (I use Chrome here) but at home is OK (I use Firefox)
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 4:38 PM, JP B?land <lebo.beland@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Good day,
>>> Does somebody on that list know where I should go about this issue:
>>>
>>> When I open the Cree wikipedia (cr.wikipedia.org) from my work
>>> computer, I only see squares instead of Cree syllabics. First, I would
>>> like to know if that's normal or if that's bug. Second, would there be
>>> a way to fix that from the MediaWiki end since people on computers
>>> like that don't have access to change the settings of their browser or
>>> install new fonts (now I'm from a work computer, but same thing could
>>> happen from a computer in a library for example). I'm using Internet
>>> Explorer 7.
>>>
>>> I have posted it there:
>>> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Localisation#Font_not_working , but
>>> I'm not sure it's the right place.
>>>
>>> I remember reading about the extension WebFonts to avoid those issue,
>>> how can we go to create one for Cree if it doesn't exist? And where
>>> could I find more info about that?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> JP Beland alias Amqui
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Languages mailing list
>>> Languages@lists.wikimedia.org
>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/languages
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "Imagina un mundo en el que cada ser humano tiene la posibilidad de
>> acceder a la suma de todo el conocimiento. Ese es nuestro compromiso."
>>
>> Carlos Manuel Colina
>> Tesorero
>> A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela
>> J-40129321-2
>> +58-416-9051946
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Languages mailing list
>> Languages@lists.wikimedia.org
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/languages
>>
>>
>
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