Hi,
So now the Moldovan Wikipedia (mo) is deleted ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Deletion_of_M... ).
But there are still a few sitelinks on Wikidata to this wiki, e.g.: * https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5296 * https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q21197 * https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q217
There may be more.
I guess that they should be deleted. All the labels of items and properties in this language should also be removed. It must be made impossible to add new ones. The raionale is that the language code is not valid.
I proposed this here, but didn't get any replies yet: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Delete_a_wiki
Does everybody in the Langcom agree? If nobody objects, I'll make a technical proposal in Phabricator in a week.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
Sounds sensible to me. If the wiki do not exist anymore, there is no point in keeping links to nonexistent projects. But how would you remove them? Doing so by hand would be tedious. Maintenance script or bot would be better. Regards, M.
El El vie, 9 feb 2018 a las 15:52, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> escribió:
Hi,
So now the Moldovan Wikipedia (mo) is deleted ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Deletion_of_M... ).
But there are still a few sitelinks on Wikidata to this wiki, e.g.:
- https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5296
- https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q21197
- https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q217
There may be more.
I guess that they should be deleted. All the labels of items and properties in this language should also be removed. It must be made impossible to add new ones. The raionale is that the language code is not valid.
I proposed this here, but didn't get any replies yet: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Delete_a_wiki
Does everybody in the Langcom agree? If nobody objects, I'll make a technical proposal in Phabricator in a week.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Of course, it should be automated in some way with scripts and queries.
בתאריך 9 בפבר׳ 2018 17:41, "MarcoAurelio" strigiwm@gmail.com כתב:
Sounds sensible to me. If the wiki do not exist anymore, there is no point in keeping links to nonexistent projects. But how would you remove them? Doing so by hand would be tedious. Maintenance script or bot would be better. Regards, M.
El El vie, 9 feb 2018 a las 15:52, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> escribió:
Hi,
So now the Moldovan Wikipedia (mo) is deleted ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_ projects/Deletion_of_Moldovan_Wikipedia_2 ).
But there are still a few sitelinks on Wikidata to this wiki, e.g.:
- https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5296
- https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q21197
- https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q217
There may be more.
I guess that they should be deleted. All the labels of items and properties in this language should also be removed. It must be made impossible to add new ones. The raionale is that the language code is not valid.
I proposed this here, but didn't get any replies yet: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Delete_a_wiki
Does everybody in the Langcom agree? If nobody objects, I'll make a technical proposal in Phabricator in a week.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
-- M. A.
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Done, 337 sitelinks removed with QuickStatements.
Cdlt, ~nicolas
2018-02-09 17:04 GMT+01:00 Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il:
Of course, it should be automated in some way with scripts and queries.
בתאריך 9 בפבר׳ 2018 17:41, "MarcoAurelio" strigiwm@gmail.com כתב:
Sounds sensible to me. If the wiki do not exist anymore, there is no point
in keeping links to nonexistent projects. But how would you remove them? Doing so by hand would be tedious. Maintenance script or bot would be better. Regards, M.
El El vie, 9 feb 2018 a las 15:52, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> escribió:
Hi,
So now the Moldovan Wikipedia (mo) is deleted ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projec ts/Deletion_of_Moldovan_Wikipedia_2 ).
But there are still a few sitelinks on Wikidata to this wiki, e.g.:
- https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5296
- https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q21197
- https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q217
There may be more.
I guess that they should be deleted. All the labels of items and properties in this language should also be removed. It must be made impossible to add new ones. The raionale is that the language code is not valid.
I proposed this here, but didn't get any replies yet: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Delete_a_wiki
Does everybody in the Langcom agree? If nobody objects, I'll make a technical proposal in Phabricator in a week.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
-- M. A.
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Heh, I actually hoped to discuss a bit, and I did not mean to actually get this done so quickly, but I don't object :)
Can labels be removed, too? And can adding sitelinks and labels be prevented?
And more importantly, can this be made into a policy? Deletion of a wiki is not a thing that happens often, but every once in a while it does, so it should be documented.
Thanks.
Does
בתאריך 9 בפבר׳ 2018 18:07, "Nicolas VIGNERON" vigneron.nicolas@gmail.com כתב:
Done, 337 sitelinks removed with QuickStatements.
Cdlt, ~nicolas
2018-02-09 17:04 GMT+01:00 Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il:
Of course, it should be automated in some way with scripts and queries.
בתאריך 9 בפבר׳ 2018 17:41, "MarcoAurelio" strigiwm@gmail.com כתב:
Sounds sensible to me. If the wiki do not exist anymore, there is no point
in keeping links to nonexistent projects. But how would you remove them? Doing so by hand would be tedious. Maintenance script or bot would be better. Regards, M.
El El vie, 9 feb 2018 a las 15:52, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> escribió:
Hi,
So now the Moldovan Wikipedia (mo) is deleted ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projec ts/Deletion_of_Moldovan_Wikipedia_2 ).
But there are still a few sitelinks on Wikidata to this wiki, e.g.:
- https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5296
- https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q21197
- https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q217
There may be more.
I guess that they should be deleted. All the labels of items and properties in this language should also be removed. It must be made impossible to add new ones. The raionale is that the language code is not valid.
I proposed this here, but didn't get any replies yet: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Delete_a_wiki
Does everybody in the Langcom agree? If nobody objects, I'll make a technical proposal in Phabricator in a week.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
-- M. A.
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
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2018-02-09 17:38 GMT+01:00 Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il:
Heh, I actually hoped to discuss a bit, and I did not mean to actually get this done so quickly, but I don't object :)
Ooups, sorry. The links where going to https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagina_principal%C4%83 to I thought the deletion was pretty straightforward.
Can labels be removed, too?
Technically yes, but apparently there is a lot of them and I can't querry them all. I'll look into that.
And can adding sitelinks and labels be prevented?
No. This should be asked (probably though a ticket on phabricator).
And more importantly, can this be made into a policy? Deletion of a wiki is not a thing that happens often, but every once in a while it does, so it should be documented.
+1000, I entirely agree but this part is ut to you dear members of the LangCom (I'm just a mere observer).
Cdlt, ~nicolas
Now that I think of it a bit more, perhaps we shouldn't rush with deleting labels.
Moldovan in the Cyrillic alphabet is not used much now, and "mo" is a retired language code, but while Moldova was in the Soviet Union, this language was the language of education, press, literature, TV, and other media for over a million people. So, it's valuable to have structured documentation about how are names of cities and villages in Moldova, names of Moldovan people, and a lot of other relevant things are written in this language.
I'm not sure that a label under the retired "mo" code is the right way to do it. Perhaps we could have labels in ro-cyrillic, and perhaps we could have this data as Wikidata property values rather than labels. I'm not that much of an expert in Wikidata to make this decision. But simply deleting labels without at least a bit of extra thought is probably not the right thing to do.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2018-02-09 16:51 GMT+02:00 Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il:
Hi,
So now the Moldovan Wikipedia (mo) is deleted ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_ projects/Deletion_of_Moldovan_Wikipedia_2 ).
But there are still a few sitelinks on Wikidata to this wiki, e.g.:
- https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5296
- https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q21197
- https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q217
There may be more.
I guess that they should be deleted. All the labels of items and properties in this language should also be removed. It must be made impossible to add new ones. The raionale is that the language code is not valid.
I proposed this here, but didn't get any replies yet: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Delete_a_wiki
Does everybody in the Langcom agree? If nobody objects, I'll make a technical proposal in Phabricator in a week.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
Hi Amir,
I had the same question: are we losing information be deleting labels? (or maybe more precisely, what information are you losing?) I'm not sure of the answer but here an important fact: Moldovan is supposed to be in Cyrillic but a lot of label in "mo" are not in Cyrillic (especially for human beings).
Moving them to an other code label seems a good idea, I'll leave the decision to linguists but ro-Cyrl sounds interesting. Moving them to a property is a bad idea, that's not the way to do it on Wikidata (and property with text values still need an ISO code).
Cdlt, ~nicolas
2018-02-12 16:41 GMT+01:00 Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il:
Now that I think of it a bit more, perhaps we shouldn't rush with deleting labels.
Moldovan in the Cyrillic alphabet is not used much now, and "mo" is a retired language code, but while Moldova was in the Soviet Union, this language was the language of education, press, literature, TV, and other media for over a million people. So, it's valuable to have structured documentation about how are names of cities and villages in Moldova, names of Moldovan people, and a lot of other relevant things are written in this language.
I'm not sure that a label under the retired "mo" code is the right way to do it. Perhaps we could have labels in ro-cyrillic, and perhaps we could have this data as Wikidata property values rather than labels. I'm not that much of an expert in Wikidata to make this decision. But simply deleting labels without at least a bit of extra thought is probably not the right thing to do.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2018-02-09 16:51 GMT+02:00 Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il:
Hi,
So now the Moldovan Wikipedia (mo) is deleted ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projec ts/Deletion_of_Moldovan_Wikipedia_2 ).
But there are still a few sitelinks on Wikidata to this wiki, e.g.:
- https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5296
- https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q21197
- https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q217
There may be more.
I guess that they should be deleted. All the labels of items and properties in this language should also be removed. It must be made impossible to add new ones. The raionale is that the language code is not valid.
I proposed this here, but didn't get any replies yet: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Delete_a_wiki
Does everybody in the Langcom agree? If nobody objects, I'll make a technical proposal in Phabricator in a week.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
In fact, Moldovan/Romanian Cyrillic is still used as a language of education for approximately 1/3 of the students in the Transnistria region. Although in adulthood they tend to use Russian as a primary language, this shouldn't influence how we treat their native variety, given that we respect eg. Asturian even though most Asturian speakers use Castillian Spanish as their primary language. In particular, having access to information in the language of their education can be helpful for students conducting school projects. I understand that the Wikipedia was locked and ultimately deleted for political reasons, and a ro-cyrl was not allowed to be created in the incubator, thus effectively meaning that there is, for political reasons, no space whatsoever for Cyrillic content in Moldovan/Romanian in Wikipedia projects, but I do think the labels are important to retain.
2018-02-12 8:41 GMT-07:00 Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il:
Now that I think of it a bit more, perhaps we shouldn't rush with deleting labels.
Moldovan in the Cyrillic alphabet is not used much now, and "mo" is a retired language code, but while Moldova was in the Soviet Union, this language was the language of education, press, literature, TV, and other media for over a million people. So, it's valuable to have structured documentation about how are names of cities and villages in Moldova, names of Moldovan people, and a lot of other relevant things are written in this language.
I'm not sure that a label under the retired "mo" code is the right way to do it. Perhaps we could have labels in ro-cyrillic, and perhaps we could have this data as Wikidata property values rather than labels. I'm not that much of an expert in Wikidata to make this decision. But simply deleting labels without at least a bit of extra thought is probably not the right thing to do.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2018-02-09 16:51 GMT+02:00 Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il:
Hi,
So now the Moldovan Wikipedia (mo) is deleted ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projec ts/Deletion_of_Moldovan_Wikipedia_2 ).
But there are still a few sitelinks on Wikidata to this wiki, e.g.:
- https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5296
- https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q21197
- https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q217
There may be more.
I guess that they should be deleted. All the labels of items and properties in this language should also be removed. It must be made impossible to add new ones. The raionale is that the language code is not valid.
I proposed this here, but didn't get any replies yet: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Delete_a_wiki
Does everybody in the Langcom agree? If nobody objects, I'll make a technical proposal in Phabricator in a week.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
I agree with Amir on this.
Technically ro-Cyrl can mean 1) modern Romanian as used in Moldova during the Soviet period and 2) Older Romanian written in Slavonic characters.
On 12 Feb 2018, at 15:41, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
Now that I think of it a bit more, perhaps we shouldn't rush with deleting labels.
Moldovan in the Cyrillic alphabet is not used much now, and "mo" is a retired language code, but while Moldova was in the Soviet Union, this language was the language of education, press, literature, TV, and other media for over a million people. So, it's valuable to have structured documentation about how are names of cities and villages in Moldova, names of Moldovan people, and a lot of other relevant things are written in this language.
I'm not sure that a label under the retired "mo" code is the right way to do it. Perhaps we could have labels in ro-cyrillic, and perhaps we could have this data as Wikidata property values rather than labels. I'm not that much of an expert in Wikidata to make this decision. But simply deleting labels without at least a bit of extra thought is probably not the right thing to do.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי