I want to bring to the attention of the Langcom that there is an application for a neapolitan wikisource https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikisource_Neapolitan pending evaluation since 2011.
The status of the neapolitan wikisource project is as follows: - More than 2500 proofread pages - Three or more contributors during the last 8 months - Two or more contributors working intensively during more than 1 year - Core localisation complete, proofread complete, extensions at 30% and growing - Third biggest language in mul.wikisource by number of pages and growing - First language in mul.wikisource with a request on hold - Iso code and long-term running wikipedia
We need the project to be activated: - We'll provide better tools within our own language domain - We'll provide better access to our native speakers and literates - It is a minority language and time passes while the speaking population gets older (and the contributors too) - We'll provide easy access to the humanity to the public domain in our language. This is now simply getting diluted into mul.wikisource, it.wikisource or en.wikisource, just as our books and songs are diluted and lost into the libraries of all over the world.
If approved and opened tomorrow it would be already more active and big than many other open wikisources.
Thanks for the attention, C.R. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikisource_Neapol...
As far as I know, the acceptance of an additional wiki-product is not within LangCom's activities; only first-ever wiki-products in a new language are. As Neapolitan has a wikipedia already, wikisource should be granted automatically if all requirements are fulfilled. No discussion and explicit approval by LangCom should be needed.
Best wishes, Oliver Stegen
On 06-Aug-15 12:18 AM, C. Russo wrote:
I want to bring to the attention of the Langcom that there is an application for a neapolitan wikisource https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikisource_Neapolitan pending evaluation since 2011.
The status of the neapolitan wikisource project is as follows:
- More than 2500 proofread pages
- Three or more contributors during the last 8 months
- Two or more contributors working intensively during more than 1 year
- Core localisation complete, proofread complete, extensions at 30%
and growing
- Third biggest language in mul.wikisource by number of pages and growing
- First language in mul.wikisource with a request on hold
- Iso code and long-term running wikipedia
We need the project to be activated:
- We'll provide better tools within our own language domain
- We'll provide better access to our native speakers and literates
- It is a minority language and time passes while the speaking
population gets older (and the contributors too)
- We'll provide easy access to the humanity to the public domain in
our language. This is now simply getting diluted into mul.wikisource, it.wikisource or en.wikisource, just as our books and songs are diluted and lost into the libraries of all over the world.
If approved and opened tomorrow it would be already more active and big than many other open wikisources.
Thanks for the attention, C.R. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikisource_Neapol...
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Hoi, It is exactly one of the competences of the Language committee to allow for new projects. With the stagnant affairs of new secondary projects, I am of the opinion that we may rethink our policy. Currently a large part of all the messages need to be translated. I doubt that it can be seriously expected to happen for nap.wikisource. At the same time I would personally welcome it for the value that it brings. Thanks, GerarddM
On 6 August 2015 at 11:18, Oliver Stegen info@oliverstegen.net wrote:
As far as I know, the acceptance of an additional wiki-product is not within LangCom's activities; only first-ever wiki-products in a new language are. As Neapolitan has a wikipedia already, wikisource should be granted automatically if all requirements are fulfilled. No discussion and explicit approval by LangCom should be needed.
Best wishes, Oliver Stegen
On 06-Aug-15 12:18 AM, C. Russo wrote:
I want to bring to the attention of the Langcom that there is an application for a neapolitan wikisource https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikisource_Neapolitan pending evaluation since 2011.
The status of the neapolitan wikisource project is as follows:
- More than 2500 proofread pages
- Three or more contributors during the last 8 months
- Two or more contributors working intensively during more than 1 year
- Core localisation complete, proofread complete, extensions at 30% and
growing
- Third biggest language in mul.wikisource by number of pages and growing
- First language in mul.wikisource with a request on hold
- Iso code and long-term running wikipedia
We need the project to be activated:
- We'll provide better tools within our own language domain
- We'll provide better access to our native speakers and literates
- It is a minority language and time passes while the speaking population
gets older (and the contributors too)
- We'll provide easy access to the humanity to the public domain in our
language. This is now simply getting diluted into mul.wikisource, it.wikisource or en.wikisource, just as our books and songs are diluted and lost into the libraries of all over the world.
If approved and opened tomorrow it would be already more active and big than many other open wikisources.
Thanks for the attention, C.R.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikisource_Neapol...
Langcom mailing listLangcom@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Surprise, surprise! When you write "I am of the opinion that we may rethink our policy", does that mean that our current policy actually *is* that secondary projects are automatically granted without discussion by LangCom? If that is the case, why hasn't nap.wikisource been granted long ago? Who's responsible for changing secondary projects from incubator to wiki.org? Sorry about my ignorance but I really would like to know. Fwiw, Oliver
On 06-Aug-15 12:31 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, It is exactly one of the competences of the Language committee to allow for new projects. With the stagnant affairs of new secondary projects, I am of the opinion that we may rethink our policy. Currently a large part of all the messages need to be translated. I doubt that it can be seriously expected to happen for nap.wikisource. At the same time I would personally welcome it for the value that it brings. Thanks, GerarddM
On 6 August 2015 at 11:18, Oliver Stegen <info@oliverstegen.net mailto:info@oliverstegen.net> wrote:
As far as I know, the acceptance of an additional wiki-product is not within LangCom's activities; only first-ever wiki-products in a new language are. As Neapolitan has a wikipedia already, wikisource should be granted automatically if all requirements are fulfilled. No discussion and explicit approval by LangCom should be needed. Best wishes, Oliver Stegen On 06-Aug-15 12:18 AM, C. Russo wrote:I want to bring to the attention of the Langcom that there is an application for a neapolitan wikisource <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikisource_Neapolitan> pending evaluation since 2011. The status of the neapolitan wikisource project is as follows: - More than 2500 proofread pages - Three or more contributors during the last 8 months - Two or more contributors working intensively during more than 1 year - Core localisation complete, proofread complete, extensions at 30% and growing - Third biggest language in mul.wikisource by number of pages and growing - First language in mul.wikisource with a request on hold - Iso code and long-term running wikipedia We need the project to be activated: - We'll provide better tools within our own language domain - We'll provide better access to our native speakers and literates - It is a minority language and time passes while the speaking population gets older (and the contributors too) - We'll provide easy access to the humanity to the public domain in our language. This is now simply getting diluted into mul.wikisource, it.wikisource or en.wikisource, just as our books and songs are diluted and lost into the libraries of all over the world. If approved and opened tomorrow it would be already more active and big than many other open wikisources. Thanks for the attention, C.R. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikisource_Neapolitan _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom_______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
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The request for Neapolitan Wikisource says it can't be hosted at Italian Wikisource because it's a different language. However, Neapolitan is already hosted at Italian Wikisource (it.wikisource.org/wiki/Categoria:Testi_in_napoletano https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Categoria:Testi_in_napoletano), and there is a longstanding practice of hosting texts in "dialects" (including separate languages that are perceived as dialects) at the Wikisource of the local prestige language. Indeed, Italian Wikisource hosts texts in many languages of Italy (it.wikisource.org/wiki/Categoria:Testi_in_altre_lingue), including Griko, which isn't even Romance.
I'd like to see a stronger reason why Neapolitan texts can't be hosted at it-ws before approving the application.
Am 2015-08-08 um 06:10 schrieb Oliver Stegen:
Surprise, surprise! When you write "I am of the opinion that we may rethink our policy", does that mean that our current policy actually *is* that secondary projects are automatically granted without discussion by LangCom? If that is the case, why hasn't nap.wikisource been granted long ago? Who's responsible for changing secondary projects from incubator to wiki.org? Sorry about my ignorance but I really would like to know. Fwiw, Oliver
On 06-Aug-15 12:31 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, It is exactly one of the competences of the Language committee to allow for new projects. With the stagnant affairs of new secondary projects, I am of the opinion that we may rethink our policy. Currently a large part of all the messages need to be translated. I doubt that it can be seriously expected to happen for nap.wikisource. At the same time I would personally welcome it for the value that it brings. Thanks, GerarddM
On 6 August 2015 at 11:18, Oliver Stegen <info@oliverstegen.net mailto:info@oliverstegen.net> wrote:
As far as I know, the acceptance of an additional wiki-product is not within LangCom's activities; only first-ever wiki-products in a new language are. As Neapolitan has a wikipedia already, wikisource should be granted automatically if all requirements are fulfilled. No discussion and explicit approval by LangCom should be needed. Best wishes, Oliver Stegen On 06-Aug-15 12:18 AM, C. Russo wrote:I want to bring to the attention of the Langcom that there is an application for a neapolitan wikisource <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikisource_Neapolitan> pending evaluation since 2011. The status of the neapolitan wikisource project is as follows: - More than 2500 proofread pages - Three or more contributors during the last 8 months - Two or more contributors working intensively during more than 1 year - Core localisation complete, proofread complete, extensions at 30% and growing - Third biggest language in mul.wikisource by number of pages and growing - First language in mul.wikisource with a request on hold - Iso code and long-term running wikipedia We need the project to be activated: - We'll provide better tools within our own language domain - We'll provide better access to our native speakers and literates - It is a minority language and time passes while the speaking population gets older (and the contributors too) - We'll provide easy access to the humanity to the public domain in our language. This is now simply getting diluted into mul.wikisource, it.wikisource or en.wikisource, just as our books and songs are diluted and lost into the libraries of all over the world. If approved and opened tomorrow it would be already more active and big than many other open wikisources. Thanks for the attention, C.R. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikisource_Neapolitan _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom_______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
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Hoi, Current policy is that most if not all messages need to be translated.That is unlikely to happen for Neapolitan. For Wikisource it does matter not that much because it is mostly effective as a tool.
The notion that it currently works within the Italian Wikisource is not really an argument. It matters what language Wikisource is because it allows for defaults specific for that language.
The notion that some peopl think that a language is a dialect is not here or there. It is utterly irrelevant. Thanks, GerardM
On 8 August 2015 at 06:10, Oliver Stegen info@oliverstegen.net wrote:
Surprise, surprise! When you write "I am of the opinion that we may rethink our policy", does that mean that our current policy actually *is* that secondary projects are automatically granted without discussion by LangCom? If that is the case, why hasn't nap.wikisource been granted long ago? Who's responsible for changing secondary projects from incubator to wiki.org? Sorry about my ignorance but I really would like to know. Fwiw, Oliver
On 06-Aug-15 12:31 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, It is exactly one of the competences of the Language committee to allow for new projects. With the stagnant affairs of new secondary projects, I am of the opinion that we may rethink our policy. Currently a large part of all the messages need to be translated. I doubt that it can be seriously expected to happen for nap.wikisource. At the same time I would personally welcome it for the value that it brings. Thanks, GerarddM
On 6 August 2015 at 11:18, Oliver Stegen info@oliverstegen.net wrote:
As far as I know, the acceptance of an additional wiki-product is not within LangCom's activities; only first-ever wiki-products in a new language are. As Neapolitan has a wikipedia already, wikisource should be granted automatically if all requirements are fulfilled. No discussion and explicit approval by LangCom should be needed.
Best wishes, Oliver Stegen
On 06-Aug-15 12:18 AM, C. Russo wrote:
I want to bring to the attention of the Langcom that there is an application for a neapolitan wikisource https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikisource_Neapolitan pending evaluation since 2011.
The status of the neapolitan wikisource project is as follows:
- More than 2500 proofread pages
- Three or more contributors during the last 8 months
- Two or more contributors working intensively during more than 1 year
- Core localisation complete, proofread complete, extensions at 30% and
growing
- Third biggest language in mul.wikisource by number of pages and growing
- First language in mul.wikisource with a request on hold
- Iso code and long-term running wikipedia
We need the project to be activated:
- We'll provide better tools within our own language domain
- We'll provide better access to our native speakers and literates
- It is a minority language and time passes while the speaking population
gets older (and the contributors too)
- We'll provide easy access to the humanity to the public domain in our
language. This is now simply getting diluted into mul.wikisource, it.wikisource or en.wikisource, just as our books and songs are diluted and lost into the libraries of all over the world.
If approved and opened tomorrow it would be already more active and big than many other open wikisources.
Thanks for the attention, C.R.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikisource_Neapol...
Langcom mailing listLangcom@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
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