Indeed!
To this German speaker, the existence of the Alemannic wikipedia
constitutes a nice middle ground. As Gerard wrote, it's the old debate
about macro languages (which includes the debate about distinctions
between dialect and language). There will always be joiners and
splitters, i.e. we cannot satisfy everybody. Alemannic, however, is
neither extremely splitting (i.e. having a separate wikipedia for each
of its constituent languages) nor extremely joining (i.e. demanding that
it be subsumed under de:wp). I wholeheartedly support the "problem" of
Alemannic!
(Maybe, we need to change our stance towards macro languages without
opening Pandora's box, if that were possible ... - I know we've tried
and failed a number of times!)
Fwiw,
Oliver
On 05-Jan-18 07:31, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Alemannic is the problem here; it is outside of ISO 639 3 and only
exists because it predates the language policy. In many ways it is the
macro language discussion about inclusion all over again except that
Alemannic is .. different.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 2 January 2018 at 23:35, Steven White <Koala19890(a)hotmail.com
<mailto:Koala19890@hotmail.com>> wrote:
I promised I was going to keep old project requests moving along
after the new year. So here are four:
Wikipedia Swabian
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Swabian>:
Propose to reject. Although it has a language code, Swabian is
already included within Alemannic Wikipedia. Starting
initial seven-day clock on this now.
Wikipedia Manchu
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Manchu_2> (on
hold since March 2010, waiting for native speakers): Marking
eligible. This project has been fairly active on Incubator
recently, and the tool to allow the vertical Manchu script is
working very nicely.
Wikipedia Kutchi
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Kutchi>:
Marking eligible. Has a language code, and about 875,000 speakers
in India and Pakistan.
Wikipedia Kumaoni
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Kumaoni>:
Marking as "on hold". In principle, should be eligible. But there
is no test project on Incubator, and most speakers are bilingual
in Hindi. (It's not that these are mutually intelligible
languages, just that Hindi is a lingua franca in the area.) So I'd
like to place this on hold until someone comes who is interested
in starting the project.
Steven
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